Karen Janowski quoted Brian Crosby from his blog title, "learning is messy’ and Cathy from South Carolina, suggests that we "muddy the waters." Are you willing to get messy with us?
Sylvia Norton, from Maine’s MARVEL, says "I think we spend a lot of time talking about quality information but not always walking the talk when it comes to expectations in student work and what we accept without question"
Are you wiling to take that step this year and dip your own toes in the water? Here’s your homework:
Find you own state’s database collection (paid for by your taxes!). As Cathy said, these are your "free search tools." Who doesn’t like a great bargain? You may go to your school library site or you may go to your public library site if you don’t have a direct link already in your own bookmarks. You may need a public library card number or some other state identification number.
Now, think of something you are wondering about. Is it your aunt’s newly diagnosed illness, is it a question about Iraq, is it the history of a neighborhood fixture, is it something about a book you’ve been reading this summer? Search in these state funded free resources and see what you find. If you can, we’d love you to do the same search in some other places too, maybe Google, maybe findarticles.com, maybe Wikipedia…
PLEASE share your results. The only way we can continue to learn is by using what Worldbridges.net calls "open source learning" where we all add to the body of knowledge and share, after all this is Teachers Teaching Teachers!
Add a New Note to our Google Notebook that lists your state, your urls used, the names of the databases you used, your search request and most importantly your results and reactions !!
Come back next week, same time, same place and let’s see what we can collectively learn. Let’s all get messy this week!
Google Notebook for August 22, 2007 Teachers Teaching Teachers:
http://www.google.com/notebook/#b=BDQOrSwoQsJqSocci
Now for some show notes and thoughts:
Where should our students be starting?
Cheryl from Maine says: I would love our school librarians to use Marvel first and not answer kids questions in Google until they have done a Marvel search!
Kevin from Florida says: " I do think there is value in students ‘starting out’ in wikipeida to get the juices flowing….."
Troy from Michigan discovered that one FindArticles search had 1/3 of the links on the first page requiring money to open them. "One concern with Find Articles — to what extent does that site represent the full range of periodicals and journals available? Moreover, what about the advertisements that are present on that site?"
If we are encouraging students to blog for voice, action and sometimes response, isn’t it important that we teach them to arm themselves with accurate and reliable information as a starting point?
Courtney from GALILEO in Georgia says, "… facts and past research – databases; someone’s first-hand perspective – blog postings
LindaN also made an important point, "I think it depends on the depth of background knowledge the kids have on a topic."
Sylvia from MARVEL in Maine, reminds us, "I’ve never had a parent show up for a parent conference because they were worried that their kid didn’t pass information literacy."
Later Sylvia also noted, "I do see adults every day who do not know how to find and use good accurate information as part of their daily problem solving."
What do you think? We want to especially thank Joyce Valenza and everyone else who is helping to bring this important topic to the blogosphere and the attention of teachers and librarians and vendors!
Here are the links from the text chat in time order:
Library Terms That Users Understand
http://www.jkup.net/terms.html
Google Notebook link for Teachers Teaching Teachers notebook for Aug. 8 and Aug. 15 discussions
http://www.google.com/notebook/#b=BDQOrSwoQk93r3cMi
Joyce Valenza’s students explain it – Databases are Different!
http://springfieldvideo.edublogs.org/2007/03/01/databases-are-different/
Texas State Databases
http://www.texshare.edu/
Georgia Public Library Service
http://www.georgialibraries.org/lib/galileo.html
Public look at the Google Teachers Teaching Teachers notebook
http://www.google.com/notebook/public/07807265150553936842/BDQOrSwoQk93r3cMi
Direct link to GALILEO, Georgia State Databases
http://www.galileo.usg.edu
Scholarly vs. Popular vs. Trade vs. Primary Sources from Springfield Township High School Virtual Library- an amazing resource!
http://www.sdst.org/shs/library/scholarly.html
Brian Crosby’s blog, a fourth grade teacher at Agnes Risley School in Sparks, Nevada.
http://www.learningismessy.com/blog/
Wesley Fryer’s blog
http://www.speedofcreativity.org/
A trail is a collection of web pages, assembled and annotated by any Trailfire member, on just about anything under the sun.
http://trailfire.com
Joyce Valenza’s blog NeverEndingSearch on School Library Journal
http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/blog/1340000334.html
Lee Baber’s blog
http://web.mac.com/lbaber/iWeb/LeeBaber/Blog/Blog.html
Courtney’s list of state funded virtual libraries
http://del.icio.us/cmcgough/statevirtuallibraries
Are state library research databases worth the effort?
This month, over at Teachers Teaching Teachers, Susan Ettenheim, Lee Baber and others are looking into how and why to use state library research databases, and they have given us a homework assignment:
Its time to walk the talk! TTT67 – August 15, 2007
Here’s the results of dipping my toes into the New York Online Virtual Electronic Library (NOVELNY). These are just my first impressions, and they leave me wondering whether a more careful study has ever been done than the one here that we are doing for oursleves. Has anyone ever more carefully studied and described the differences one finds between searching in publically available sources, and these protected databases?
Last month I used the the keyword "relationships" to show how to set up subscription alerts for on-going searches in Google Blogs, Google News, EveryZing (audio), and FindArticles. By using the same word to do a NOVELNY databases search, perhaps I can compare resusts. On the search page, I choose "Full-text articles only," then I ask for a search in "All Resources," and I do a search for the the keyword, "relationships." This gives me almost 45,000 hits in 14 databases.
After changing the display mode to "Relevancy-ranked," I begin to scan through the 188 results that appear on the first page. Each result has a subset of bibliographic information, such as: Title, Author, Journal, Source, Date of Publication, Number of Pages, Number of Words, Pages, and Database. Many also contain a description that provides an abstract, summarizing the article.
In the first fifty (English language) results there is a considerable variety of sources.
Funk & Wagnall’s New World Encyclopedia (2)
Gale Encyclopedia of Childhood and Adolescense (2)
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine
10 General Audience Magazine Articles:
National Review
People
Science News
Time (2)
Women’s Health (2)
1 Government Publication:
8 Journal or Professional Magazine Articles:
Annals of Internal Medicine Audio
Biology
Essential Drugs Monitor
Horticulture
International Journal of Morphology
Journal of Latin American Studies
Northeastern Naturalist
25 Local and National News Items:
La Crosse Tribune (La Crosse, WI)
Los Angeles Times (2)
Richmond Times-Dispatch (Richmond, VA)
The Christian Science Monitor
The Guardian (London, England) (3)
The New York Times (5)
The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY) (2)
The Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ)
The Wall Street Journal Eastern Edition (4)
Winnepeg Free Press
It’s true that I could have limited my search by choosing more keywords (e.g. adding "family" to "relationships") or by selecting fewer of the available databases, but part of my purpose here is to see what is available, and I think the more general, open search serves the blogger well. The variety of sources that seem to be available through NOVELNY — low-brow/high-brow, popular/professional, conservative/liberal, primary sources/secondary sources, current/historical, news items/encyclopedia articles, chaff/wheat — is something to celebrate! This list of sources also begins to answer some of my questions about whether or not these databases give our students access to materials that they wouldn’t be able to get any other way.
For me, databases start with three strikes against them:
Given these problems, what makes library databases worth the effort? The answer is usually that databases contain many more high quality resources than is available on the general web, or even that databases have sources in them that are in some way different in kind. Perhaps, but my initial uses of NOVELNY suggest that what gets indexed there is as topsy-turvy a mosaic (to mix a few metaphors) of resources as anywhere. This is not to say that that research databases are not valuable. They do expand the range of sources available to students, but I’m not finding that they are a significantly special resource.
My brief experience with searching databases using NOVELNY suggeststo me that the metaphor of an open container is rather apt. I started thinking about these matters a couple of weeks ago when toward the end of Teachers Teaching Teachers #66 – 08.08.07 (Play at 42 min. 18 secs.), Susan posed a "big question":
Courtney McGough, a GALILEO database specialist from Georgia responded that she has tried to clarify for students what databases are by calling them "containers with really good stuff in it." Although this would seem to agree with my initial findings here — that databases are important, but not unique genres of information — Courtney later clarified:
Weblogs & Wikis & Feeds, Oh My!: Databases and Research
Courtney had a lot more to say, and I’ve returned to her response on my blog several times, and I learn something new with each reading. But I worry that Courtney, like many librarians and database specialists, has created an unnecessary distinction here between general online content and that which can be found in research databases.
I think we have to be careful about how we value some content over other content. One we’ve learned over the past several years is that "peer-reviewed, edited, and/or fact-checked" does not equal quality. On blogs, wikis, and podcasts, we are all peer-reviewers, editors and fact-checkers. Although I would agree with Courtney’s point that a Google search can bring up sources with "varying degrees of expert knowledge and editorial control," my search in NOVELNY gave me an equivilent mix of expert knowledge and editorial policy. I think it’s confusing to suggest to students that what they find in a database is more reliable than what they find in a Google search. In both places the search results are just the beginning of lessons to be learned about how to identify bias, reliability, purpose… of any source, no matter where it was found.
I don’t have time here to go into a more careful analysis of the differences between a Gale Encyclopedia entry and one found on Wikipedia. I’m not sure which one would be more useful to which student at a particular moment, but I know which one is easier to access, link to, and therefore become part of accountable discourse on a blog in a social network. And most of what came up for me on the NOVELNY search seems available to me on the open Web.
Oh… there’s so much more! I think we can have both blogs, wikis, podcasts, videos… AND databases. When we see the quality that can be found in all of these places, perhaps we can begin to make better distinctions and help students to identify what makes different sources of information important to them.