Teachers Teaching Teachers #272 – City as Floor Plan with Ron Link, Andrea Zellner, Mary Ann Reilly, and David Wees – 11.16.11


In a busy week with conferences and conventions–physical and and online–going on all over, it was good to stop and think about what we want schools to look like. On this episode of Teachers Teaching Teachers, Paul Allison introduces his Assistant Principal, colleague and friend Ron Link to Monika Hardy and Mary Ann Reilly. Ron is cooking up ideas for a new school, and many of his thoughts have seemed parallel to some of what Monika and Mary Ann have been talking about at labconnections.blogspot.com. Andrea Zellner and David Wees are always a delight to hear from! Enjoy this conversation, and let’s keep talking about what we want schools to look like. Joining this episode are: monika hardy,  Ron Link,  Andrea Zellner,  Mary Ann Reilly,  David Wees, and Paul Allison

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20:53:12 Bronst: Hi Paul

20:53:46 Bronst: Does the session start in the hour?

20:53:58 Bronst: *on the hour?

20:54:49 PeggyG: Hi everyone!

20:55:25 PeggyG: I think I see some favorite people here in the room! Is this a followup to the Global Ed Presentation? πŸ™‚

20:55:43 PeggyG: Hi Bron and Jokay πŸ™‚

20:55:58 Bronst: Hiya Peggy – you escaped GlobalED

20:56:18 jokay: *waves* πŸ˜‰ hihi

20:56:45 PeggyG: yes Bron!! Didn’t want to miss this! πŸ™‚

20:56:49 jokay: i haz one eye on wordpress.. multitask girl here.. so apologies if i get behind in text chat πŸ˜‰ … thought i’d come and listen in πŸ˜‰

20:57:08 PeggyG: that’s great jokay!!

20:57:49 PeggyG: I’ll just be watching and chatting and won’t be in Google Hangout. Is that where you are Bron? Hangout?

20:57:56 Bronst: We girls need to have a clone to do all we want

20:58:03 PeggyG: that’s the truth!!!

20:58:08 Bronst: No I am just here

20:58:18 Bronst: not in Hangout

20:58:25 PeggyG: ok! no bandwidth problems then πŸ™‚

20:58:55 Bronst: is everyone getting noise when Paul in in video?

20:59:14 PeggyG: yes

20:59:26 PeggyG: looks like Paul is still working on the setup

20:59:33 Bronst: okey dokey

20:59:39 jokay: Yeah.. lotsa statics… the joys of audio wrangling.. go paul gooo πŸ˜‰

20:59:47 PeggyG: I try to come to Teachers Teaching Teachers every week because it’s always so interesting!!

20:59:55 PeggyG: that’s Paul thinking out loud πŸ™‚

20:59:59 Bronst: There are days when I just don’t need video of me put out there

21:00:16 Bronst: yes always interesting

21:00:45 PeggyG: I know what you mean! But you looked great on the camera at Global Ed πŸ™‚

21:01:00 PeggyG: hearing you now Paul πŸ™‚ Life is good!

21:01:36 PeggyG: waiting patiently! always worth the wait!

21:02:18 PeggyG: hearing everyone now πŸ™‚

21:02:24 PeggyG: Monika is soft

21:04:01 PeggyG: Bron did you get to see the SIGVE presentation yesterday? Action Research project on use of virtual environments for teaching digital citizenship

21:04:20 PeggyG: I watched it in BlackBoard Collaborate thanks to Scott Merrick streaming it πŸ™‚

21:04:22 Bronst: no I did not – yesterday was manic for me

21:04:34 PeggyG: it was really interesting!

21:04:36 Bronst: it was recorded though so will catch up

21:04:40 PeggyG: exactly!!

21:04:53 PeggyG: Hi Scott! Great to see you!

21:05:09 PeggyG: electricity Monika??? does that mean you have heat and lighting?

21:06:34 Paul Allison: Hi Maryann Will you be joining us?

21:07:10 PeggyG: where are you jokay?

21:07:20 PeggyG: I’m in Phoenix AZ

21:07:35 jokay: I’m in Wollongong, Australia πŸ˜‰

21:07:54 PeggyG: incredible!! both you and Bron are in Australia!1 What time is it now?

21:08:11 PeggyG: Hi Ryan! Great to see you!

21:08:13 jokay: 1pmish here πŸ˜‰

21:08:40 PeggyG: that’s a perfect time! It’s 7:00pm Wed. night here.

21:08:47 @ryanbretag: Thanks, Peggy. Happy to be here.

21:08:57 PeggyG: still doing some setup

21:10:00 PeggyG: Everyone in the Google Hangout is not here in this chat. Sure wish they were

21:11:06 PeggyG: that sounds like a great conference–everyone sharing shared knowledge and not a lot of presentations!

21:11:28 PeggyG: what’s a hackjam?

21:12:18 PeggyG: I love this technology!!!

21:13:48 PeggyG: Paul your voice is a lot louder than hers

21:14:20 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hmmm. click on join the hangout, but it takes me to a different hangout.

21:14:58 PeggyG: he’s not talking about this chat–I think he means the google hangout chat

21:15:17 Bronst: Is the topic for today’s discussion new schools and places for learning?

21:15:28 PeggyG: lots of important people here in this chat!!

21:15:30 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Can I have a correct link to the hankout, please

21:15:32 PeggyG: yes Bron

21:15:48 PeggyG: they’re getting warmed up to the topic…

21:16:52 PeggyG: I don’t know the link Scott. Sorry. Maybe Paul will respond

21:17:43 PeggyG: that’s really funny!! failing schools to fail less…

21:19:15 PeggyG: is there a way to share that document with us?

21:19:24 PeggyG: HS alternative plan

21:19:30 Bronst: can we have the link?

21:19:44 PeggyG: she said it was an uploaded doc to Hangout

21:20:43 PeggyG: now we can see it but it’s really tiny

21:21:07 PeggyG: love the sounds of a Humanities High School

21:23:13 PeggyG: these alternatives sound really good

21:25:08 Bronst: how is another school an atlernative to school? I think I get what David was saying – should we consider more radical solutions/

21:25:21 PeggyG: I agree Bron

21:25:59 PeggyG: an alternative HS is just another facility with a different focus

21:26:16 Bronst: Alternative HS is still as school and schooling is the problem not the solution

21:26:28 PeggyG: I agree

21:26:47 PeggyG: maybe Paul will raise the issue for MaryAnn to respond

21:27:25 PeggyG: Monika’s school would look very different πŸ™‚

21:28:43 PeggyG: I remember the schools without walls and all of them brought back the walls

21:29:29 Bronst: yes once it is a school it wants to conform to a certain shape – maybe its “school physics”

21:29:57 Bronst: Need a new paradigm

21:30:25 PeggyG: yes we do!

21:30:33 PeggyG: I hope Monika will jump in

21:30:39 PeggyG: there she is

21:31:44 PeggyG: Monika, can you share your vision for learning environments?

21:31:49 Bronst: there are 11 of us across 2 technologies

21:32:09 Bronst: Hangout and stream not being bridged?

21:32:13 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): THe list is never finalized because it is always evolving.

21:32:21 PeggyG: no they aren’t bridged except for the video stream

21:32:40 PeggyG: Paul needs to be the bridge between our chat and the people in the Hangout

21:32:42 Bronst: But Paul is on both to bridge them right?

21:33:05 PeggyG: yes

21:38:22 Bronst: with or without walls is still a school – get revolutionary and think outside that

21:39:00 PeggyG: you need to be in the Hangout Bron!

21:39:19 Bronst: no – not up for video

21:39:32 PeggyG: put paper in front of your camera πŸ™‚

21:39:53 PeggyG: your voice needs to be heard πŸ™‚

21:39:53 Bronst: he he – would look better

21:41:19 Bronst: I have been working online since 5am and not done my hair yet πŸ™

21:41:33 PeggyG: πŸ™‚ a waste of time! don’t bother!

21:42:16 Bronst: Technology wont make a jot of difference if we dont change the paradigm.

21:42:34 PeggyG: do you think that virtual worlds have changed that paradigm?

21:42:47 Bronst: yes and so has homeschooling

21:42:56 PeggyG: yes and unschooling too

21:43:07 Bronst: lots of things show us that “schooling” and schools are not the only answer

21:43:34 PeggyG: @Paul–are you seeing this chat? can you share it with the people in the Hangout to respond to?

21:43:46 Bronst: You dont have to be in school to have teachers, mentors, inspirations etc

21:44:10 Bronst: kids are finding their own spaces to learn and be valued

21:44:33 Bronst: as are teachers

21:44:46 PeggyG: I totally agree with that Bron! In fact kids turn away from it in schools because they view all of those roles as authority

21:45:02 Bronst: PLNs, networks, communities, games, virtual worlds etc etc

21:46:17 Bronst: there are kids in Massively Minecraft and QUEST ATLANTIS who are valued as leaders and elders, they demonstrate a passion for learning and coaching and yet in their schools they are overlooked and considered failures.

21:46:34 PeggyG: that is a great point!!

21:47:50 PeggyG: they don’t need mentors in Quest Atlantis because they are all valued as leaders and everyone is a potential mentor for anyone else

21:47:51 Bronst: I have friends who home schooled all their kids and in High Sschool they could go to school just for the classes they wanted. they were part of a home school netowrk and they are all passionate learners

21:48:19 Bronst: they had a blended environment

21:48:34 PeggyG: who was doing the teaching in their home schooling? parent? someone else? did they use a curriculum?

21:49:04 Bronst: parent is teaching – but they are in a home schooler network for support etc

21:49:20 PeggyG: aha! thanks

21:49:23 Bronst: One of the children is a brilliant composer

21:49:28 Bronst: now

21:49:51 PeggyG: I’ve seen a lot of homeschool situations where the parent keeps them at home but purchases a curriculum and expects the kid to follow the curriculum

21:50:04 PeggyG: that makes me crazy!

21:50:14 PeggyG: there really are some brilliant homeschooled kids

21:50:15 Bronst: I jsut don’t think our thinking is radical enough – maybe we do have to throw out ALL the bath water to save the baby

21:50:20 PeggyG: but they aren’t all…

21:51:06 PeggyG: what an introduction!! Talk about mindfulness and your other crazy ideas πŸ™‚

21:51:25 Bronst: homeschooler we had in QA told me they felt restrained – someone else was decising what curriculum they would follow. Thye were used to being self-managed learners.

21:51:45 PeggyG: that’s an ideal homeschooled student!

21:51:54 Bronst: That is when we designed the Student Congress

21:52:24 PeggyG: I don’t think Paul has seen our conversation and it disappears as it keeps scrolling down πŸ™

21:52:33 Bronst: yes there are lots of not-so-good homeschool environments – they have “schooling” in a lot of them

21:52:39 PeggyG: I love the concept of the Student Congress!!! That is amazing!

21:53:10 Bronst: it has been amazing and a privilege to be part of

21:53:29 PeggyG: some of the homeschooled students that came back to the school where I was a principal were not schooled at all! I think the parents kept them out for their own convenience and not to give them a different education

21:54:33 Bronst: yes that is true

21:54:48 Bronst: fear, laziness, lasse faire etc etc

21:54:53 PeggyG: yes

21:54:58 Bronst: but there lots of brilliant one

21:55:05 PeggyG: I agree πŸ™‚

21:55:47 Bronst: QA and Minecraft are showing us that kids can direct their own learning – maybe not for 100% yet but we have to open ourselves up to it

21:56:21 PeggyG: the interview with Howard Gardner this afternoon in Global Ed was really interesting as he talked about ethics

21:57:10 Bronst: Sugarta mitras work also shows how redundant schooling is in some contexts

21:57:38 PeggyG: yes! great example!

21:57:52 Bronst: How much can kids do for themeselves – do we even know? if we never step back and get out of their way will we ever find out?

21:58:50 jokay: Amen bron… the kids in massively minecraft teach me every day to shut up and listen to them! πŸ˜‰

21:59:36 PeggyG: that is something that Monika says every week here!!! we need to listen to the kids!

22:00:18 Bronst: schooling is about broadcast – learning is multidirectional, viral, messy, unpredicatble

22:00:43 PeggyG: I wish we could get the two parts of this session together!!!

22:00:49 Bronst: yes

22:01:02 Bronst: PAUL! great discussion going on here!

22:01:37 PeggyG: @Andrea are you in the Google Hangout?

22:01:48 Bronst: Don’t use 2 communication technologies if they cannot be blended somehow

22:01:59 PeggyG: they should be able to be blended!

22:02:17 Bronst: GOing out into the world with students – students ARE in the world!

22:02:41 PeggyG: πŸ™‚ I want to reach out and give you a hug Bron!!! I agree!!

22:06:04 Bronst: yes we are on a wavelength different you and i Peggy. But i am getting very frustrated here

22:06:41 PeggyG: yes! wish our voices could be heard….

22:06:42 Bronst: We know the vision needs to be more radical to at least question the funadamentals of what we do

22:07:05 PeggyG: someone in the hangout needs to be monitoring this chat

22:09:59 Bronst: tried to message Paul in twitter – but i need to go soon

22:10:12 PeggyG: he isn’t on twitter right now…

22:10:28 PeggyG: time is almost up but I plan to contact him about our frustrations

22:10:29 jokay: Ok.. has been an interesting listen and a kinda frustrating remote chat.. but thanks all! πŸ˜‰ .. must get back to works!… the little miners will be home from school soon! πŸ˜‰

22:10:38 PeggyG: I’m so glad you were here Bron and Jokay!

22:10:50 PeggyG: you are great company111

22:10:51 jokay: Take care Peggy!! Seeya in the skypes Bron! πŸ˜‰

22:11:03 jokay: *waves* to all!

22:11:04 PeggyG: you too jokay and Bron.

22:11:04 Bronst: thx Peggy – always worth it meeting up with you!

22:11:12 PeggyG: bye! for me too Bron!

22:11:28 Bronst: ahhhh – if only we rules the world πŸ˜‰

22:11:36 PeggyG: we don’t?????

22:11:41 Bronst: he he LOL

22:11:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): The edge of the abyss is where you find the best view.

22:11:59 PeggyG: you’re the bright spot in my evening

22:11:59 Bronst: OK – yes i forgot to assume we do

22:12:09 PeggyG: yeah Scott!!! where have you been?

22:12:13 Bronst: great point Scott

22:12:26 Bronst: Scott says

22:12:26 PeggyG: did you ever get into the hangout Scott?

22:12:32 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Working on my portfolio tonight… couldnt chat

22:12:36 PeggyG: oh ok

22:12:37 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Yes, Im in the hangout

22:13:02 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I How are things with you?

22:13:02 PeggyG: we are disappointed that our chat here wasn’t passed on to the hangout

22:13:16 PeggyG: we feel really left out and our voices aren’t being heard

22:13:38 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hmmm. Paul usually watches the chat. Not sure what is up tonight

22:13:45 PeggyG: he’s not watching tonight

22:13:59 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I see that.

22:14:15 Bronst: OK I am off – great to get t follow you Scott1

22:14:17 Andrea: just catching up on the chat: yes, I am in the Hangout…someone asked. I have troulbe paying attention to both.

22:14:25 PeggyG: bye Bron!!! great chatting with you

22:14:31 Bronst: always on the lookout for thought leaders and stirrers

22:14:36 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Bye Bron

22:14:37 PeggyG: thanks Andrea

22:14:58 Bronst: bye – hugs

22:15:23 PeggyG: hugs back

22:15:48 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I just gave ETS a bunch of my money

22:16:14 PeggyG: for a teacher exam?

22:16:32 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Yes. Praxis exam and reading specialist exam

22:16:32 PeggyG: ETS will happily take our money!

22:16:46 PeggyG: hope you did well!!

22:17:00 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I almost aced the Praxis (193/200).

22:17:11 PeggyG: wow! that’s fantastic!

22:17:45 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Reading spec. cut score is really low. I’ll be fine. Should have my license around Jan. 1st

22:18:03 PeggyG: it’s been a long haul but that is great news!!

22:18:15 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Thanks. It has been a long 5 years.

22:18:29 PeggyG: Congrats to you!!!!

22:18:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I’m starting to get serious about the job search. Drop me a line if you hear of anything interesting.

22:19:00 PeggyG: good night all

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