TTT#407 Welcome Back after Ferguson w/ Marcia Chatelain, Karen Fasimpaur, Alicia Lobaco, Jo Paraiso, and Chris Sloan – 8.20.14

We were planning a “Welcome Back” episode on Teachers Teaching Teachers, something about how to launch connected learning with Youth Voices in our classrooms and how to be more planful about connecting our curriculum. #connectedlearning.

How do we do that after Michael Brown’s killing and the Ferguson protests? More than ever we need those days, even weeks of trust-building with our students, yet we also can’t pretend that Ferguson isn’t happening.

In addition to this webcast, we offer a small contribution with a #FergusonSyllabus or using Gooru, NowComment, Crocodoc, and Vialogues.

Start with your own questions, then deepen your inquiry into Michael Brown’s shooting, and the protests and confrontations in Ferguson by choosing from these articles, songs, interviews, photographs, blog posts, podcasts, reviews, videos, reports and surveys.

For this episode of TTT, Youth Voices teachers Chris Sloan, Paul Allison, Jo Paraiso, and Alicia Lobaco talk about how we are going to be launch a connected learning curriculum this year on Youth Voices and how we are talking about and learning from Michael Brown’s shooting, the protests, and the confrontatons in Ferguson. In addition we were also joined by Dr. Marcia Chatelain, who has been organizing #FergusonSyllabus on Twitter. On LinkedIn, Marcia writes:

I am first and foremost an educator. I have been teaching high school and college students since 2003. My career goals include publishing on the experiences of women and girls in the United States, African-American women’s leadership and the relationship between food and society.

Dr. Chatelin is also a Ford Foundation Diversity Postdoctoral Fellow and she is the recipient of a 2012-2013 Ford Foundation Diversity Postdoctoral Fellowship to work on her second book on food and civil rights. She is also Assistant Professor in History

#FergusonSyllabus is a great way to connect with others who are thinking about when and how to bring the Michael Brown shooting into the curriculum.

One of the take-aways from this episode of TTT was to be reminded of the power of for our students. It’s important to see and hear the views of students from different communities. The students in Chris Sloan’s classes in Salt Lake City and the students in Jo Paraiso’s classes in Oakland and my students in the Bronx are relatively homogeneous, and they can learn a lot from talking with students outside of their immediate school communities, especially on issues of race.

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find links to a few of the resources shared during this episode of TTT.


Notes from the Webcast:

What Do We Teach When Kids Are Dying? #MichaelBrown

Ferguson’s Freedom Summer?

Chat from the webcast on August 20, 2014

20:54Marcia Chatelain: Hello Paul!
20:59karen (@kfasimpaur): Greetings, everyone.
20:59Kathee: Hi, everyone!
20:59karen (@kfasimpaur): If anyone else would like to join the hangout room, please feel free.
21:01Chris Sloan: Fascinating talk tonight.
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): Chris’ post on this if you didn’t see it:
21:10karen (@kfasimpaur): I like the idea of “multi climate” resources…even outside of school. It’s a big world out there.
21:16Kathee: Thanks for the link, Karen. I’ve retooled my entire first few weeks to focus on violence in America (in an American literature class at my university). These resources allow me to present a variety of voices in the classroom–so important.
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): Nice. What do you teach Kathlee?
21:18Kathee: Mostly English Education classes–but this semester it’s all GE. This particularly class is called “Masterpieces of American Literature” (hate that title).
21:18Meta: hi Kathee!
21:19karen (@kfasimpaur): Kathlee, if you want to join the hangout. please do
21:19Kathee: Hey, Meta!!!! Looks like you’ve been busy changing your first writing assignment.
21:19Kathee: Just lurking for awhile, Karen, but thanks!
21:19Meta: yes, worked on that syllabus today.
21:20karen (@kfasimpaur): You too, Meta
21:20Kathee: Which class is it for, Meta?
21:20Meta: I’m just going to listen – the W class, American Inequality
21:20karen (@kfasimpaur): Meta, lots of opportunities there
21:21Kathee: Perfect–Karen posted a link to a blog post at the beginning of this chat that you should look at.
21:21Chris Sloan: Kathee and Meta, can you share some of your teaching resources?
21:22Meta: we usually do a broader range of topics for the research paper, but Ferguson has so much. OK. I teach Africana Studies so I always recommend Michelle Alexander’s The New Jim Crow.
21:22karen (@kfasimpaur): I think asking students to free write about what they’re thinking about Ferguson would be a way to start
21:23Kathee: @chris, I think I’m going to have students read Langston Hughes, Lorna Dee Cervantes, Zitkala Sa, William Faulkner, Flannery O’Connor in the violence section.
21:24Kathee: Link to an interesting poem by Cervantes here:
21:25Chris Sloan: I’m teaching Aftershock by Robert Reich right now. Income inequality
21:25Kathee: @karen, I am curious to see if my students have even been following this story. On Twitter I don’t see many Fresno State students posting about it.
21:25Chris Sloan: I’ll also have my students read Dead Man Walking. Again, socioeconomic status and poverty rears its head
21:26Chris Sloan: I mean SES and prison
21:27Kathee: Economic inequality is a huge problem in CA’s Central Valley. Smart way to redefine the margins and the center.
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): Interesting, Kathee.
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): I see so many parallels with this with other social justice issues eg immigration
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): That’s another way into the conversation maybe
21:28Kathee: Yeah–I think there’s so much polarization in the U.S. right now–I’ve actually decided that the overarching theme of my course will be creating community and what responsibilities we have for each other and for what the U.S. is.
21:28karen (@kfasimpaur): + 1 for creating community
21:29karen (@kfasimpaur): For that reason, I do think that this could be a hard first day conversation. I’d do it anyway, but it’s challenging
21:29Kathee: One thing I suspect is that using literature as the basis will allow my students to talk about the issues surrounding Michael Brown’s death more safely.
21:30Kathee: Meta, if you’re still here, has that been true in your classes?
21:30Meta: yes. we always read richard wright’s black boy.
21:31Chris Sloan: I agree Kathee. The literature allows them to explore by taking on the author’s stance, or opposing it
21:31Meta: I think students are interested in this topic. It seems a step up from the action around trayvon martin from last summer.
21:32Kathee: The thing I still need to figure out is how to weave in discussion about Ferguson. Maybe it will happen naturally given my focus on violence in this section.
21:34Kathee: @meta, I hope so. Do your students participate in protests? Does your department have anything planned?
21:35Meta: we’re going to do a film series in October with the theme of “Solidarity with Ferguson”
21:35Kathee: Which films will you show?
21:35Meta: And show Fruitvale Station, Do the Right Thing, and possibly one or two other films, possibly Gang in Blue
21:36Meta: we have to ask Malik what he might want to show…
21:36Kathee: That’s great. Send me the info and I’ll help advertise.
21:36Meta: I will. we don’t have date/time/place pinned down yet, but I’ll pass it on. Wednesday nights in October.
21:37karen (@kfasimpaur): That film series sounds great
21:37Meta: thanks – yes, I’m glad we’re planning something.
21:37Kathee: Discussion after the films, too?
21:37karen (@kfasimpaur): We did an outdoor film series on immigration at the border wall last year. It was surreal
21:37Meta: yes, absolutely. we did one last september.
21:38Meta: It went well, great discussion after.
21:38Kathee: Oh, wow, @karen. Tell us about that.
21:38Peggy George: Hi everyone! So sorry I couldn’t join you sooner! Had to moderate another webinar. Great topic!
21:38Kathee: Hi, Peggy!
21:38karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, Peggy
21:40Kathee: Good question–is our purpose to communicate facts or get students thinking about issues that have created these continued problems.
21:40karen (@kfasimpaur): Or to have students pursue the facts themselves?
21:41Meta: I feel pretty strongly that I need to teach some facts about context and mass incarceration as the new racial caste system.
21:41Meta: But Ferguson brings up a LOT of different topics.
21:43Kathee: Hmm . . . both of you make good points. I’m thinking about Jim Fredricksen’s idea that all narratives depend on trouble. Students need facts to understand the trouble, but unless the narratives they read trouble them (make them go in search of facts), I’m not sure we’ve done our jobs.
21:43Meta: I think they have to choose their own way in, but we can provide some ideas about the range of possible topics related to Ferguson.
21:44Chris Sloan: @Meta We approach incarceration through Dead Man Walking, like I mentioned and through the film Shakespeare Behind Bars
21:44Kathee: I haven’t seen the film Shakespeare Behind Bars but I remember listening to an NPR (?) show about that.
21:45Kathee: How do your students respond to these films?
21:46Chris Sloan: The film is about this program in prison that transforms the prisoners by performing a Shakespeare play every year. We read the Tempest; they perform the Tempest but in the process we get to know the prisoners as humans
21:46Meta: i’m not familiar with shakespeare behind bars either. does it deal with race at all?
21:46Meta: Well, the tempest is sort of racially problematic in itself.
21:48Kathee: @meta, here’s a link with more info:
21:50Meta: yes, I googled it. i saw a Frontline episode streaming online called Prison Nation. I think we focus on race a little more closely in AFRS than in ENGL
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): (haven’t read this yet)
21:52Kathee: Cool–I’ve got some homework/reading to do after the chat.
21:54Kathee: I keep wanting to pair Ersula Ore’s experience with this. The ways that African Americans “provoke” violence from the police just be walking down the middle of the road.
21:57Peggy George: That’s a great compilation of resources! Thanks Paul!
21:59Peggy George: play…explore…:-)
22:00Kathee: Yes, thanks Marcia!
22:01Peggy George: excellent, stimulating, thought-provoking conversation! thank you all!
22:01Peggy George: looking forward to watching the beginning of the recording!
22:01karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks, everyone.

Alicia Lobaco, Chris Sloan, Ferguson, Ferguson Protests, FergusonSyllabus, Jo Paraiso, Karen Fasimpaur, Marcia Chatelain, Michael Brown, Paul Allison, collaborating, new academic year, police shootings, race

TTT#386 Celebrating Open Education Week 2014 w/ Karen Fasimpaur, Verena Roberts, Greg McVerry, Ian O’Bryne, Nate Otto 3.12.14

On this episode of TTT we celebrate Open Education Week 2014 with:

We talk about open learning and open educational resources in K-12 education. We discuss the benefits and challenges of open resources, such as the new K-12 OER Community of Practice, and how online spaces like this and others might be used to support educators in opening up their practice.

K-12 Open Educational Resources Community of Practice from Karen Fasimpaur on Vimeo.


Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find links to several of the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Links to cool resources – some mentioned during the webcast:

Open Education Week –  #OpenEducationWk

K-12 OER Community of Practice –
    Intro video –
Creative Commons –
Mozilla webmaker work –
DS106 Assignment Bank:
    Prototype of new assignment bank:
    Daily create
David Price’s book: Open: How we’ll work, live and learn in the future
Open Ed Week Organizing Committee 
Open Education Week 2014 Planning Committee
Alek Tarkowski, Creative Commons, Poland
Andreia Inamorato dos Santos, IPTS, European Commission, Spain
Chahira Nouira, United Nations University, Germany
Daryono Daryono, Open University of Indonesia
Griff Richards, the African Virtual University, Kenya
Igor Lesko, OCW Consortium, South Africa
Karen Fasimpaur, K12 Open Ed, USA
Marcela Morales, OCW Consortium, Mexico
Marian Wan, Taipei Medical University, Taiwan
Mary Lou Forward, OCW Consortium, USA
Meena Hwang, OCW Consortium, South Korea
Megan Beckett, Siyavula, South Africa
Nicole Allen, SPARC, USA
Paul Stacey, Creative Commons, Canada
Robin Donaldson, Florida Virtual Campus, USA
Rory McGreal, Athabasca University, Canada
Tim Seal, Open University, UK
Una Daly, OCW Consortium, USA
Community building ideas:
  • proof of concept – examples
  • make it fun (#walkmyworld, clmooc)
  • opt in
  • passion based
  • personalized
  • culture
  • projects – make bank for OER? correlation work?

Chat from March 12, 2014 

20:47Paul Allison: Hi all you open people.
20:50karen (@kfasimpaur): Greetings everyone!
20:51karen (@kfasimpaur): Nate, you have the hangout link? hangout link for tonight:
20:51Nate Otto: Now I do
20:51Verena @verenanz: Testing…testing
20:52karen (@kfasimpaur): Hey, Verena. Join the hangout?
20:52Verena @verenanz: No invite….
20:53Verena @verenanz: ?
20:53karen (@kfasimpaur): Greetings all. We’ll be going live in a few minutes.
20:57Peggy George: Hi everyone! Was hoping I had the right time tonight πŸ™‚ AZ is always so confusing!
20:57karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, it is confusing!
20:57Peggy George: Hi Verena! Great to see you here tonight!
20:58Peggy George: Video coming through great!
20:59Peggy George: awesome Titanpad tonight! Thanks for all of the links!
20:59Peggy George: TTT is one long extended conversation!! πŸ™‚
21:01Verena @verenanz: HI Peggy!!!! The place to be is with Peggy!
21:02Peggy George: The place to be is with Verena πŸ™‚ and of course the TTT group!
21:02Greg (@jgmac1106): Open Education Week 2014 Planning Committee Alek Tarkowski, Creative Commons, Poland Andreia Inamorato dos Santos, IPTS, European Commission, Spain Chahira Nouira, United Nations University, Germany Daryono Daryono, Open University of Indonesia Griff Richards, the African Virtual University, Kenya Igor Lesko, OCW Consortium, South Africa Karen Fasimpaur, K12 Open Ed, USA Marcela Morales, OCW Consortium, Mexico Marian Wan, Taipei Medical University, Taiwan Mary Lou Forward, OCW Consortium, USA Meena Hwang, OCW Consortium, South Korea Megan Beckett, Siyavula, South Africa Nicole Allen, SPARC, USA Paul Stacey, Creative Commons, Canada Robin Donaldson, Florida Virtual Campus, USA Rory McGreal, Athabasca University, Canada Tim Seal, Open University, UK Una Daly, OCW Consortium, USA
21:02Peggy George: wow! That’s impressive!!!!
21:03unnamedGreg: “open as a mindset” +1 love it
21:03Ian (@wiobyrne): How do we get on that list? Wow. Gotta order t-shirts.
21:03Peggy George: πŸ™‚ good idea Ian!
21:03karen (@kfasimpaur): Email Mary Lou – she’s the queen!
21:04Peggy George: I should know this by now… you shouldn’t start a TTT session with 89 tabs open! Already added 10 more!
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Shout out to Mary Lou Forward for all her great work on Open Ed Week!
21:07Peggy George: hilarious! I’ll jump on that grenade first πŸ™‚
21:07Peggy George: Western Mass! Woo hoo!! Got both my M.Ed. & Ed.D. at UMass-Amherst!
21:08Ian (@wiobyrne): Same here. BA in English, Masters in Education. PhD at UConn.
21:08Peggy George: love that! open is an attitude!
21:09Peggy George: what a funny group!!! open isn’t closed!
21:10Samantha: Does open learning work for all ages?
21:11Peggy George: like that description– learning and building own learning in places where we can connect with other learners
21:11karen (@kfasimpaur): great question, Sam… will ask this in a few minutes
21:11Peggy George: Samantha, I think open learning can work for all ages
21:12Peggy George: because it is an attitude…
21:12karen (@kfasimpaur): “Who we are as ___”…teachers? adults? — identity question
21:12Jim Stauffer: Make mistakes openly so those who come after can learn just like we do – great soundbyte
21:13Samantha: I think it could too, but what about in special education?
21:13karen (@kfasimpaur): Openness can mean many things. Doesn’t have to mean posting all work openly
21:15Peggy George: Just purchased Danah Boyd’s latest book: It’s Complicated! Social Lives of Networked Teens. Excellent!
21:15Ian (@wiobyrne): +1 on danah’s new book
21:16Peggy George: I love that Danah allows free download for all of her work!
21:16Peggy George: I buy her books because I want to support her!
21:17Peggy George: Excellent points Verena about willingness to take risks to move forward!
21:17unnameddanah on tour – great q&a discussion
21:17Peggy George: thanks!
21:18monika: : )
21:19Jim Stauffer: Consuming Passion
21:19karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi Monika!
21:19monika: hello
21:19Greg (@jgmac1106): +1 Jik Stauffer
21:19Peggy George: Hi monika πŸ™‚
21:19Greg (@jgmac1106): Jim*
21:22Peggy George: is it easier to take your words back f2f or online? πŸ™‚
21:22Nate: Interesting question, Peggy
21:22monika: open doesn’t want to be pushed.. does it?
21:23karen (@kfasimpaur): Easier to take back when there’s not a written record πŸ™‚
21:23Peggy George: I think so too Karen
21:23Peggy George: maybe push them to have an open attitude?
21:27Samantha: I think digital citizenship is important to think about too
21:28Peggy George: I agree Samantha
21:28Peggy George: it’s not anonymous–you are violating someone’s rights when you violate copyright laws
21:30Verena @verenanz: I like your question @Peggy πŸ™‚ at 19:22
21:31Peggy George: @Verena you’re making me think….
21:33Peggy George: some sights block you from using resources that violate copyright laws like youtube
21:33karen (@kfasimpaur): yes
21:33Nate: If you infringe on material, you are violating a government-given monopoly right. Whether or not the delineation of that monopoly is fair, infringement is a violation of the law. Some people might feel like being civilly disobedient about that; you might get into a discussion about whether you have to stand up for your disobediance by being willing ot suffer the legal consequences of infringement.
21:33Peggy George: great point Nate
21:34karen (@kfasimpaur): Well put, Nate
21:34Peggy George: I’ve known many bloggers who get really upset with people who lift entire blog posts word for word with no attribution…rightly so.
21:35Nate: as far as cultural norms are concerned plagiarism is a different beast than copyright infringement. In legal terms, there’s some overlap.
21:35Ian (@wiobyrne): Nate..bring this point up
21:36Verena @verenanz: @peggy I like making you think….
21:37Peggy George: unfortunately that is often the mentality–it’s ok unless I get caught
21:38Nate: It’s natural that copyright and licensing comes up as part of open ed week. I think that shouldn’t be the only element of the conversation that we host about the issue, as people who live/believe open.
21:42Jim Stauffer: Model open learning was my first thought when’d Karen asked the question. Now I’m hearing it from the whole hangout
21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks, Jim.
21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): I’m playing with ways to model online … community building online…how does this get done effectively?
21:46Nate: Encouraging open practice: “It’s about saying that teachers don’t have to build everything themselves”
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): “It doesn’t have to be perfect.”
21:47Peggy George: wish Open Ed Week didn’t have such a long twitter hashtag πŸ™‚ #openeducationwk
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): That should be the motto for open….maybe learning in general
21:47Verena @verenanz: #oewk – much better πŸ™‚ and cuter
21:47Peggy George: I love the term coined by Peter Reynolds for doesn’t have to be perfect… “….ish”
21:48Peggy George: definitely much better! but noone is using that…
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): I’ve suggested Creative COmmons licensing to several K-12 districts and never had pushback
21:48Ian (@wiobyrne): perfect-ish…love it
21:48Nate: Talking of the #DS106 assignment bank
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): K-12 wants to share in my experience
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur):
21:49Jim Stauffer: tutor & co-explorer instead of expert – modelling again
21:49Peggy George: I don’t see much of that in K12 either–most create and make available openly for remixing
21:49Jim Stauffer: ds106 crowd sourced assignments
21:49Nate: A lot of this material is still socially discovered, rather than through one particular repository or another.
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): prototype of new assignment bank:
21:52Peggy George: Can’t wait to explore those ds106 links!!
21:53Nate: I’ve seen a lot of situations where people see open practices, think they are a good idea, but don’t think _their_ idea is ready to share.
21:53Peggy George: I’ve seen that too Nate
21:53Verena @verenanz: Totally agree Nate πŸ™‚
21:54karen (@kfasimpaur): yes
21:54Jim Stauffer: Also see ds106’s Daily Create
21:55Nate: I think a lot of creating culture around open learning is sharing the underlying metaphors that help us who have done it understand the space.
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): How would you share those, Nate?
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): It’s a lot about values
21:57Nate: Well, part of it, as we said earlier is through role models. But metaphors are built for sharing. If we think of learning as “collecting stuff”, we’ll feel differently about what we should do than if we see learning as “connecting with people and ideas”
21:57Peggy George: do you need to understand the space to participate in open learning?
21:57Nate: No, I think you probably necessarily don’t understand it when you start.
21:58Peggy George: I think the people who struggle the most with MOOCs are those who come in with rid expectations about how learning should happen
21:58Peggy George: rigid…
21:59karen (@kfasimpaur): By the way, Nate is @ottonomy
22:00Peggy George: great story about mandatory posting vs optional/open Wonder if more people responded with open or just a few carried on an engaged conversation?
22:00karen (@kfasimpaur): I’m taking notes on commun building at hte bottom of doc if anyone wants to add
22:00Peggy George: very helpful Karen
22:02Peggy George: really important points about the teacher participating in the conversations! students take on the leadership and become the experts
22:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Greg is @jgmac1106
22:04Greg (@jgmac1106): Kren sharing my handle so I can finally get attacked by the masses
22:04Greg (@jgmac1106): Karen*
22:05Peggy George: Excellent conversation! Thank you all for your open sharing!!! πŸ™‚
22:05Peggy George: love it! showing up is a big thing πŸ™‚
22:06Peggy George: I’m loving what’s happening with the YouthVoices sharing and the student collaborative Hangouts exploring their research interests
22:06karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks for being here everyone!
22:06Peggy George: hear hear!!!! Huge thanks to Paul and Monika and Chris for always being here and keeping these conversations going!

Greg McVerry, Ian O’Byrne, Karen Fasimpaur, Nate Otto, Open Education Week 2014, Paul Allison, Verena Roberts

TTT#378 A Case for Food Literacy w/ Joseph Franzen, Brent Peters, Lauren Goldberg, Devin Brown, Elfe Dona, Karen Fasimpaur 1.15

Calling all gardeners, foodies, and critical inquirers! On this episode of TTT meet teachers who have been developing amazing projects around food. We are joined by Joseph Franzen and Brent Peters along with one of their students, Devin Brown. In additon Lauren Goldberg, Elfe Dona, and Karen Fasimpaur add to this rich conversation about what happens when we focus on the relationships students have with food.

Here are a couple of teasers:

Before becoming an English teacher and Bread Loaf student, Brent Peters worked as a chef at the Mayan CafΓ© in Louisville, Kentucky. Joe Franzen has been an urban gardener, sustainability enthusiast, environmental educator, and kitchen magician for years. He has turned Fern Creek Traditional High School into an “edible campus.”

Read more at “The Case For Food Literacy” on the Bread Loaf Teacher Network Journal

See how Joe and Brent helped connect their students from Louisville with youths in the Navajo Nation:

Also take a look at Lauren Goldberg’s article in the English Journal, “Herbivores, Carnivores, and Literavores: Argument and Appetite in the Classroom”

We’d love to hear how your students have used food, gardening, and critical inquiry in their learning. What a rich place this is for learning — for all of us!

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find links to a few of the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Notes from the Webcast:

5 areas of inquiry:
– food choice
– social justice
– community
– cross-cultural exchange
– relationships among students and the food system 
“A Kumquat for John Keats” by Tony Harrison

Chat from January 15, 2014

5:17unnamedGood morning
5:17Abdellah from Morocco: Hi
20:43karen (@kfasimpaur): Greetings! We’ll get going in about 15 min.
20:49Elfe: Do I need to sign in somewhere?
20:52Paul Allison: No sign in is necessary. Welcome.
20:52Paul Allison: We’ll be starting soon.
20:53Elfe: Thank you.
20:57Chris Sloan: Hi Abdellah and Elfe. Are you teachers
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): We’ll be starting in a minute or two.
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Who’s here with us and where are you from?
21:03Elfe: Yes.
21:03Elfe: I am from Austria.
21:06Elfe: Has the session started?
21:07Devin Brown: Testing the chate
21:07Chris Sloan: Hi Elfe. We had a little difficulty, we’ll start in a minute
21:07karen (@kfasimpaur): Haven’t quite started yet…just a second or so
21:07karen (@kfasimpaur): Devin, try that link Paul just posted in this chat
21:08Devin Brown: it’s trying to log onto it now… I have slow internet
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): (we changed rooms)
21:09Chris Sloan: Should be streaming now
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): Video ok, folks?
21:09Elfe: Hi
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi!
21:10unnamedlooks good
21:10karen (@kfasimpaur): thanks!
21:11karen (@kfasimpaur): Links to some of these resource are over on the left
21:12Chris Sloan: Food as a story of place. Nice
21:12karen (@kfasimpaur): lovely
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): Navajo project blog –
21:17Chris Sloan:
21:17Chris Sloan:
21:20karen (@kfasimpaur): So true…food is a rich area for inquiry and critical thinking
21:23karen (@kfasimpaur): CSA=community supported agriculture
21:23Chris Sloan: powerful ways to frame the learning
21:23karen (@kfasimpaur): CSA is a way community membesr can support small farms by buying a subscription to healthy local produce
21:25Elfe: πŸ™‚ I could not introduce myself.
21:26karen (@kfasimpaur): Elfe, where are you joining us from?
21:27Chris Sloan: We’ll have you introduce yourself shortly, Elfe, okay?
21:31karen (@kfasimpaur): …thinking about language learning through food
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): A Kumquat for John Keats by Tony Harrison
21:47unnamed*typo! irony.
21:53Lauren Goldberg: This is the website with the video about “fruit decomposition” in an inquiry unit.
21:56Chris Sloan: Thanks for sharing the resources Lauren
22:11Chris Sloan: Excellent ideas, Elfe. You must be a great teacher!
22:14Elfe: Thank you, Chris.
22:16Elfe: Good night, everybody.
22:17karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks, everyone! Great show.
22:17Devin Brown: Thanks for having us on. It really encourages all of us to see that the hard work we are doing is being noticed
22:17Lauren Goldberg: Thanks for including me! What a blast. I’m ready to fly out to Kentucky for the rest of the school year!

Brent Peters, Chris Sloan, Devin Brown, Elfe Dona, Joseph Franzen, Karen Fasimpaur, Lauren Goldberg, Paul Allison, community, cross-cultural exchange, food, food choice, school gardens, social justice, the food system

TTT#368 Connected Ed-Teacher Voice w/ Meenoo Rami, Kevin Hodgson, Karen Fasimpaur, Jo Paraiso, Chad Sansing, Maribeth Whitehouse

Teacher voice is our theme on this episode of TTT recorded on 10.16.13 in the middle of Connected Educators Month Raising teacher voice is an ongoing theme on TTT, and we welcomed this opportunity to re-join the conversations that we hosted in May and June, 2013:

  • TTT#351 Teachers Speaking Up
    On this… episode… we talk about how, when, why, and where to speak up!
  • TTT#353 Teachers Speaking Up
    A provocative conversation about Teachers Speaking Up w/@AndreaZellner, @KSchulten, @StevenZemelman, @Ochoajen @MsSandersTHS, @meenoorami, and Pat Delaney

On this episode of TTT we are joined by:

Meenoo Rami's profile photo Meenoo Rami Kevin Hodgson's profile photo Kevin Hodgson Karen Fasimpaur's profile photo Karen Fasimpaur
Johanna Paraiso's profile photo Johanna Paraiso Chandler Sansing's profile photo Chandler Sansing Maribeth Whitehouse's profile photo Maribeth Whitehouse

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find links to several of the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Notes from the Webcast:

English chat – #engchat – Monday nights at 7pm Eastern –
Meenoo Rami @mMineCraft for when school blocks it – MineCraft in browsereenoorami – for updates on upcoming #engchat topics
Youth Voices for Change – (can’t find the website for these guys yet .. will keep looking)
teacher and parent organizing in Philly and
“How do we  take back a narrative around innovation, around our vision of teaching  and learning? I guess I keep wondering the role of this in the midst of  also essential organizing, marching, calling, budget watching, etc.”
Meenoo Rami: This quote kicked off the school year for me: The first thing I want to say to you who are students, is that you cannot afford to think of being here to receive an education: you will do much better to think of being here to claim one. – A. Rich

Chat from October 16, 2013

20:47Paul Allison: Hey Chad — Join us!
20:52Paul Allison: We will be starting in about 10 minutes. Please feel free to jump into the Hangout with us (and bring your earphones).
20:57karen (@kfasimpaur): Hey, Chad.
20:59Meenoo Rami: Hey Chad
20:59chadsansing: Howdy –
21:00karen (@kfasimpaur): If anyone would like to join us in the chat room, the link is
21:02unnamedHi guys … real sorry but I can’t seem to get in yet.
21:03karen (@kfasimpaur): (Who are you? πŸ™‚
21:04Christina: sorry7 Karen … it’s me, Christina
21:04Christina: Logging in from my mother’s house … but not successfully.
21:04Christina: I’ve never had this problem before … so strange.
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, Christina.
21:04Peggy George: Hi everyone! Great to be here with you!!
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): odd..might try again?
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): HI, Peggy.
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): How was your day?
21:06Peggy George: the interview went great! It was really fun!
21:06karen (@kfasimpaur): Glad to hear it.
21:06chadsansing: Hi, Chris, Peggy, & TTT pals πŸ™‚
21:06karen (@kfasimpaur): Sorry I missed it. I’m exhausted…
21:06Peggy George: small but mighty group πŸ™‚ great conversation!
21:06Peggy George: Hi Chad!!! Great to see you!
21:07chadsansing: Happy to be here with you, Peggy πŸ™‚
21:07Peggy George: I wish we could get everyone to use Lower Thirds in the Hangout. Helps so much knowing who is speaking πŸ™‚
21:07Peggy George: brilliant idea! it would be so much fun to have dinner with all of you!
21:08Christina: Hi guys. I’d have to totally reboot here and I’d rather listen and chat .. that okay Karen?
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): that’s fine.
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): I’m playing relay bewteen the two chat rooms tonight
21:08Christina: Two chats? Where is the second?
21:09Peggy George: in the Hangout
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): in the hangout itself
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): jinx
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): πŸ™‚
21:09Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:09Christina: Hi everyone .. Antoinette, Chad, Karen, Meenoo, Paul and Peggy!
21:09Peggy George: Hi Christina!!
21:09Christina: ah yes!
21:10Christina: Hello πŸ™‚
21:10Peggy George: I love having people here on the Titanpad to chat with!
21:11Christina: Also interested in this space between practice and policy too.
21:11Peggy George: yeah Western MA!!! My old stomping grounds!! Got my Masters and Ed.D. at UMass-Amherst and lived in Amherst and Leverett for about 15 years. πŸ™‚
21:11Christina: Titanpad … like that name.
21:12Peggy George: I think it’s a great tool for capturing resources as well as chat πŸ™‚
21:12Peggy George: fascinating point that teacher voice is everything coming through her students!
21:12Christina: Hello everyone! Please type your name or identifier above … and jump in here whenever!
21:13Chris (@edinterwebs): Evening!
21:13chadsansing: Hi, Chris!
21:13Peggy George: Hi Chris
21:13Christina: Hi Chris — welcome!
21:14Christina: so important these examples of practice, examples of student work!
21:14karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi Chris.
21:14Peggy George: technology has a way of humbling us!!
21:14Peggy George: it’s fabulous when it works πŸ™‚
21:14karen (@kfasimpaur): If anyone else wants to join the hangout, there’s room
21:14Christina: micropolitan?
21:15Peggy George: new word πŸ™‚
21:15Christina: Chris, do you want to join tonight?
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): tiny city (-ish)
21:15Christina: Right!
21:16Peggy George: I LOVE the K12 Online pre-conference keynote by Shannon Miller where she co-presents with a 4th grader in her school. Teacher voice and student voice are immersed throughout the presentation! So many great examples!
21:16Chris (@edinterwebs): I’m good Christina, thanks
21:16Christina: np πŸ™‚
21:17Barb Jansen: What a great idea to copresent with a student
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, Barb.
21:17Peggy George: it was fantastic Barb!
21:17Barb Jansen: Hi, Karen!
21:17Peggy George: love hearing what everyone is up to!
21:18karen (@kfasimpaur): Curious as to why the unions don’t seem to be taking up more issues that seem important to teachers and learning (Or is that just my perception?)
21:18Peggy George: it’s so tragic to hear about all of the layoffs in Philly!! πŸ™
21:19Christina: You can keep up on what’s going on in Philadelphia at the Public School Notebook,
21:19Peggy George: when you lose good teachers due to budget cuts it’s very hard to get them back!
21:19Peggy George: Thanks Christina!
21:19karen (@kfasimpaur): so true
21:19Christina: The story about what Meenoo is talking about went national — I’ll share the Washington Post article.
21:20Peggy George: excellent!
21:21Christina: Beyond terrible, just fyi.
21:21Peggy George: I’ve been reading the blog posts by Diane Ravitch about all of the aweful things going on in NYC with John King and the public hearings where parents, students, teachers haven’t been allowed to speak and he even cancelled some of the hearings.
21:22Peggy George: great question!! tough answers!
21:22Christina: I’ve been less watching NYC recently because of the extremeness of what’s been happening here in Philly …
21:23karen (@kfasimpaur): Student voices are powerful
21:23Christina: … but yes, really amazing what is happening.
21:23Christina: Philadelphia Student Union and Youth Voices for Change are two really important and inspiring student leadership groups here.
21:23Peggy George: that’s great to know about Christina!
21:24Chris (@edinterwebs): how to create spaces for student (and staff) conversation
21:24Peggy George: probably lots of parallel experiences in Philly & NYC!
21:24Chris (@edinterwebs): has been on my mind…without overwhelming and pushing openness…
21:25karen (@kfasimpaur): I struggle a lot with these identity issues myself…
21:25Christina: Yes, Philly and NYC there are many parallels fo rsure …
21:25Christina: … and in Philly we’ve been taken over by the State and recently we’ve been in blackmail mode with the Governor for even base resources that meant for us.
21:26Peggy George: that’s such a sad story about the girl who died–so unnecessary! backup plans have to be made to handle student medical needs when there aren’t nurses!
21:26Meenoo Rami: Chris, can you join the hangout
21:26Christina: He is trying to force the hand of the teachers union. so it’s been really extreme. Kind of parallels some of the national conversation.
21:26Chris (@edinterwebs): ha! lol
21:26karen (@kfasimpaur): I’ve often thought that I’d like to be an (anonymous) expose writer in education
21:26Peggy George: how funny! blogging under an identity πŸ™‚
21:26Peggy George: fun idea Karen!
21:26Christina: Meenoo, do you mean me or the other Chris? (I’m not sure I can get in I’m afraid … I’m here at my mother’s and the computer isn’t behaving)
21:27Peggy George: multiple personalities!!! I’d have trouble keeping them all straight!
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): fun…but also maybe dangerous…that’s one identity challenge, right?
21:27Peggy George: it would be great to hear from you Christina
21:28Peggy George: hahaha a work in progress πŸ™‚
21:29Christina: I do think Meenoo is representing the situation well … she’s really on the ground. And I agree, the organizing work that is happening is what gives me faith in what is possible.
21:30Peggy George: those are really tough decisions to have to make as a teacher!
21:30karen (@kfasimpaur): If you/we lose our jobs, that certainly doesn’t help (and that’s certainly happened)
21:31Peggy George: exactly!!!
21:31karen (@kfasimpaur): Wondering if you all encourage or discourage different student identities online?
21:33Peggy George: teachers are in a vulnerable position because they can be accused of unduly influencing their students to protest.
21:34Peggy George: great question Karen! I haven’t really thought about it for students but I know many teachers have separate purposes for their online presence–personal and professional.
21:34Christina: I want to give a shout out to teacher and parent organizing in Philly too:
21:34karen (@kfasimpaur): I’ve heard compelling arguments for distinct voics and for not… I struggle with that myself
21:35Peggy George: and the teachers keep them separate purposefully
21:35karen (@kfasimpaur): yes…most admins almost require this I think
21:35karen (@kfasimpaur): I don’t necessarily agree with that… challenging
21:35Meenoo Rami: This quote kicked off the school year for me: The first thing I want to say to you who are students, is that you cannot afford to think of being here to receive an education: you will do much better to think of being here to claim one. – A. Rich
21:36Christina: Amen.
21:36Peggy George: I personally have chosen to have my personal & professional combined. But I don’t have to worry about my job. Not sure what I would do if I were still a principal.
21:37Peggy George: great quote Meenoo!!
21:37Christina: I am also wondering how we change the script of what school and learning is …
21:37Chris (@edinterwebs): I’m split.
21:37Chris (@edinterwebs): personal/professional
21:37Christina: and at the same time so much organizing is critical in this devestating situation in Philly I feel like we need to keep talking about teaching and learning too.
21:38Christina: Worried that “reformers” are grabbing the narrative about innovation, about reform, about change …
21:38karen (@kfasimpaur): Another way to phrase the question – Should we have to have separate identities?
21:39Christina: at a moment when as teachers and student we should be at the forefront. (“reformers” in quote means those who are in power who tend to not be educators and students)
21:39Chris (@edinterwebs): yes, I don’t think its a should. I think its personal. I love what was said earlier that when we assume an identity, there are things we sacrifice…
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): from the other chat room: “My school doesn’t want students to have a voice. In every way the message is sent: do what you are told.”
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): Me: Teachers too…the compliance agenda
21:40Peggy George: even if teachers are given “permission” to share their voice/message through social media with their professional identity I don’t think some would feel comfortable. Lack of trust.
21:40karen (@kfasimpaur): True, Chris. Thanks for sharing that.
21:40Christina: how do we take back a narrative around innovation, around our vision of teaching and learning? I guess I keep wondering the role of this in the midst of also essential organizing, marching, calling, budget watching, etc.
21:40Chris (@edinterwebs): where’s the other chat?
21:40Peggy George: in the Hangout
21:40karen (@kfasimpaur): In the hangout itself (feel free to join πŸ˜‰
21:40Chris (@edinterwebs): oh. ok.
21:40karen (@kfasimpaur): Also “Yes, I do encourage the multiple voices, but also am moving into how they can meld together. For example, they blog about their senior project social equity topics, but use their social networks to share that blog to friends.”
21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): Audience and identity are linked.
21:43Peggy George: I would like to see that too Karen.
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): Trust is at hte center of lots of this.
21:43Peggy George: totally agree!
21:43Christina: You guys do big work. You and your students. It’s so true.
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): From Maribeth: “Teachers need to tell their stories. Ed reformists are telling their narrative”
21:44Peggy George: that’s one of the real bonuses of being a connected learner/leader. When you reach out and share your thinking and projects it allows you to see how you really are doing great things
21:44Christina: Wondering how to lead the narrative … that’s what I keep wondering. — Yes, Maribeth, Kevin, Jo and Meenoo!
21:45chadsansing: Push everything to the Boing Boing submitterator & EFF foundation –
21:45Christina: Tonight I was witha colleague who has taught for almost 30 years … and from her I hear “news” but also “olds” … ie. …
21:45Peggy George: teachers often tend to think that what they’re doing is not that special but when you share it you find out it really is special!
21:46Christina: … what happened before and how we got to where we are today. Both important to remember the history of all this … as well as remember that there were healthy reforms that happened and that we can continue to learn from while also innovating forward.
21:46karen (@kfasimpaur): Follow the $. That’s the root of many societal problems not just educ
21:46Christina: I think Paul’s question is really important though … how do we increase the impact here?
21:46Christina: Yes, I realize it is money. And, I think it’s also other things.
21:46Chris (@edinterwebs): the PR on the Common Core: “its what educators created”
21:46karen (@kfasimpaur): From Kevin: “Read Paul Blogush and his posts about following the money around Common Core”
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): Public educ needs a PR campaign. Why don’t the unions take this on?
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): What are other key issues Christina?
21:50chadsansing: No unions in VA.
21:50Peggy George: Diane Ravitch blogs about the money connection all the time and details it in her new book Reign of Error. It’s fantastic!
21:50Peggy George: the unions are being trampled by the “reformers”!
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): everyone seems to have an “agenda”…few seem to focus on what’s good for learners
21:51Christina: I guess I’m trying ot figure out how to chat about these challenging issues …
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): (sorry you can’t get in to the hangout…good grist for the blog mill here)
21:52chadsansing: “Make stuff real” is the mantra my co-teacher has helped me adopt this year, @Karen –
21:52chadsansing: Very #clmooc πŸ™‚
21:52karen (@kfasimpaur): yes…
21:52karen (@kfasimpaur): I’m turning to making more and more when I get frustrated with things
21:52Christina: for example, I support what the union supports in terms of protecting workers against abitrary action, etc …
21:52karen (@kfasimpaur): cheap therapy
21:53Peggy George: Diane Ravitch is so smart!! and well informed. She digs deeply into research
21:53Peggy George: love that point Chad–make stuff real!
21:54Peggy George: making is definitely a way to relieve stress πŸ™‚
21:54karen (@kfasimpaur): and at the end, you have something
21:54Peggy George: absolutely!!
21:54Peggy George: but then do you feel guilty for having spent the time “making” when you “should” have been doing something else?
21:55chadsansing: I feel guilty doing the other stuff when we should be making.
21:55Peggy George: Karen I really appreciate your cross-posting the thoughts between both chats!
21:55chadsansing: That’s the prime discontent.
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): Here’s some more: “Some teachers are scared. Some are swamped. Some don’t know better”
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): Chad, I sometimes feel guilty making when I should be doing xyz.
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): It’s selfish
21:56Christina: What is the movement – yes, an interesting question.
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): (Oh yes, Peggy said that)
21:57Christina: Connected learning as a movement? A vision of what is possible moving forward?
21:57Christina: That’s how I tend to imagine the movement.
21:57karen (@kfasimpaur): I may be a little wary of “movements”…Walk Out, Walk On …
21:57Christina: And for me, that includes a vision for unions, a vision for schools, a vision for learning.
21:57Christina: True, @Karen
21:58karen (@kfasimpaur): If we all focused more on learning and less on other thigns, I can’t help thinking things would be better…more satisfactory to everyone
21:58Peggy George: I don’t exactly think of it as a movement
21:58Peggy George: I’m with you on that Karen!
21:59Christina: Although I also like movement … as in a pulse, a thickening, ….
21:59Peggy George: if we could get rid of grading and standardized testing education would be very different!
21:59Peggy George: I agree with Diane Ravitch about all of the money!!!
21:59Christina: I think this is the key question! What is that change going to look like!
22:00Chris (@edinterwebs): Sam Reed tweeted earlier about teacher leadership in schools.
22:00Chris (@edinterwebs): I would love to think that’s got to be key of the other side
22:01Christina: Yes, there is an event today (or was) to support and raise money for teacher-led schools …
22:01Christina: … that starts to surface visions.
22:01chadsansing: Co-learning, inquiry, making, & food.
22:01karen (@kfasimpaur): Kickstart public ed PR campaign…I like that
22:02Christina: I do think the students can lead on this visioning – agree!
22:03Christina: Agree Kevin! Thanks for raising that.
22:03karen (@kfasimpaur): I hate to say this, but mostly when I think deeply about this stuff, I want to withdraw
22:03Chris (@edinterwebs): if I see another Common Core resource sales pitch masked as innovation!
22:03Peggy George: my experience so far this month on #ce13 has been very positive. I’m not following all of the tweets so haven’t really been bothered by the sponsors. I’ve loved connecting with other educators in webinars, blog posts sharing their experiences. Very inspiring!
22:04Christina: I also agree Peggy that there have been a lot of reallygreat things happening at #ce13
22:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Re: #ce13…Part of being “open” means you get the crap w/the good
22:04Christina: and/ I also notice what Kevin is saying … and I think it’s commercial interests taking advantage of the networking ..
22:04Peggy George: that’s true Karen and you have to apply your filters to take away what is good about it
22:04Chris (@edinterwebs): just don’ think that the effort is in vain. πŸ™‚
22:04chadsansing: The edge of failure is the place. Always grateful for tomorrow.
22:05karen (@kfasimpaur): “students fighting for change: Nikhail Goyal, Stephanie Rivera, Israel Munoz Fighters w/ a national profile: Anthony Cody, Katie Osgood, Michelle Gunderson,Karen Lewis, Diane Ravitch, Valerie Strauss, Mark Naison, Badass Teacher Association, Network for Public Education You can find them on Twitter”
22:05karen (@kfasimpaur): (from Maribeth)
22:05Peggy George: MaryBeth I feel your pain and frustration!!! Just keep focusing on yourself and your kids! You are an amazing teacher and are making a difference!
22:06Christina: Great Meenoo! Important notes to end on.
22:07chadsansing: Oooo.
22:07Peggy George: Diane Ravitch is great about bringing in all of those student voices and amplifying them!
22:07Peggy George: and teacher voices too!
22:07chadsansing: Good-night!
22:07Meenoo Rami: good night!
22:07karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks everyone for joining us!
22:07karen (@kfasimpaur): Important stuff….
22:08karen (@kfasimpaur): Good night, and see you next week.
22:08Chris (@edinterwebs): evening!
22:08Peggy George: if you want a great pick-me-up be sure to listen to Shannon Miller and her student in the K12 Online keynote!!!
22:08Christina: You all are awesome. This work is big.
22:08Peggy George: thank you all! you have deeeply touched me with your commitment and passion for what you do!
22:08chadsansing: Β‘AdiΓ³s!

Chad Sansing, Connected Educators Month, J Paraiso, Karen Fasimpaur, Kevin Hodgson, Maribeth Whitehouse, Meenoo Rami, Paul Allison, teacher voice

TTT#377 Dasani: Invisible Child Conversations w/ Marina Lombardo, Maribeth Whitehouse, Stephanie West-Puckett, Al Elliott 1.8.14

On this episode of TTT we offer a conversation about the NY Times articles on Dasani: Invisible Child

We are joined by:

Marina Lombardo Maribeth Whitehouse Stephanie West-Puckett Al Elliott

We were moved the NY Times articles and the issues they raise. Many of us teach students similar to Dasani, and this Times series gives us a great opportunity to talk about the issues that students like her present in our classrooms.

This is our third conversation about Dasani and students who face similar challenges, and what it’s like to be teachers in schools with students facing the challenges of poverty. Also see:

We’d love to know what your perspectives are on the issues raised in the Times series.

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find links to several of the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Notes from the Webcast:

Another place to participate in conversations about Dasani:
And more about Desani on the NYTimes Lens Blog: In Brooklyn, Photographing an Invisible Child By RUTH FREMSON
Working Toward Equity book Working Toward Equity: Resources and Writings from the Teacher Research Collaborative Edited by Linda Friedrich, Carol Tateishi, Tom Malarkey, Elizabeth Radin Simons, and Marty Williams (2006)   
National Equity Project
Badass Teacher’s Association and they have a Facebook page and blog Founded by Professor Mark Naison who has a  blog
The Network for Public Education Diane Ravitch, President

Chat from January 8, 2014

20:51Peggy George: Hi everyone! Looking forward to continuing this conversation!
20:52Maribeth Whitehouse: Paul?
20:52Peggy George: are you going to be in the hangout Maribeth?
20:52Maribeth Whitehouse: Yes
20:53Maribeth Whitehouse: Nice to “see” you, Peggy
20:53Peggy George: Do you have the link? Paul usually posts it on the TitanPad.
20:53Peggy George: Great to see you too!
20:53Maribeth Whitehouse: I don’t and thank you. I need it
20:54Maribeth Whitehouse: can you give me the link?
20:54Maribeth Whitehouse: HI Peggy and Maribeth!
20:55Peggy George: Great! I was looking for it πŸ™‚
20:55Peggy George: I’ll just be viewing the HO from here. πŸ™‚
20:59Peggy George: Seeing and hearing everyone great πŸ™‚
21:01Maribeth Whitehouse: I can’t hear or see
21:01Peggy George: Paul is that the same hangout link every week? Maybe it could be added to the calendar posting on EdTechTalk if it is πŸ™‚
21:01Maribeth Whitehouse: What is your gmail account that you are using?
21:01Peggy George: try refreshing your page if you’re trying to view it on this page.
21:02Peggy George: oh the Hangout
21:02Maribeth Whitehouse: ok I can hear you
21:02Peggy George: great πŸ™‚ that’s progress πŸ™‚
21:03Peggy George: are there two people logged in as Maribeth (yellow and green)?
21:03Peggy George: HOORAY for the Lower Thirds!! Such a huge help!
21:03Maribeth Whitehouse: I’m the greenish
21:03Maribeth Whitehouse: Who’s the orange?
21:04Peggy George: that’s what I’m trying to figure out πŸ™‚
21:05Peggy George: great to see everyone! πŸ™‚
21:08Maribeth Whitehouse: I like the framing of equity vs. accountability
21:11Gail Desler: this amazing article was a reminder that so often, we don’t really know who is sitting in front of us in our classrooms – or next to us in a faculty room
21:13Peggy George: that has to be so frustrating for you Maribeth!
21:13Maribeth Whitehouse: It hurts my soul, Peggy
21:14Peggy George: my soul hurts for you too! and all of the teachers who find themselves in this situation! it’s just wrong!
21:14Maribeth Whitehouse: “Dasani’s” should be our mission not our obstacles
21:15Peggy George: I agree!
21:15Gail Desler: Somehow I don’t think homeless students have truly been considered in test score formulas or expectations
21:16Maribeth Whitehouse: I agree Gail
21:16Maribeth Whitehouse: how would they put that in an algorithm
21:16Gail Desler: Poverty is a huge challenge – and it needs to be recognized. period
21:16Maribeth Whitehouse: how does poverty effect a student?
21:17Maribeth Whitehouse: hunger is obvious
21:17Maribeth Whitehouse: what else?
21:17Peggy George: I love that Diane Ravitch continually focuses on the poverty issue in her blog posts!
21:17Maribeth Whitehouse: me too!
21:18Maribeth Whitehouse: I love what Al is talking about?
21:18Maribeth Whitehouse: What is the teacher’s role in advocating for public policy which eradicates poverty?
21:19Maribeth Whitehouse: What did you think of Dasani being invited to the mayor’s inauguration?
21:20Gail Desler: Foster child situations are = in painfulness to homeless situations.
21:20Peggy George: good question Maribeth. Was it controversial?
21:21Maribeth Whitehouse: yes bec. she seems to have been used by the new Public Advocate
21:21Gail Desler: the article is also a reminder of the impact of a caring teacher – who believes his/her students can succeed
21:22Peggy George: absolutely Gail!! a caring teacher is so powerful!
21:26Maribeth Whitehouse: Al brings up a good point. so much of teacher wisdom is anecdotal,
21:27Gail Desler: “zip code is not destiny” – wish that were true
21:28Maribeth Whitehouse: You are right Gail. Think about all the zip code dictates.
21:28Maribeth Whitehouse: Crime rates, access to healthy food, environment
21:29Peggy George: that would be a great link to add to the TitanPad!
21:29Maribeth Whitehouse: police interactions, library hours
21:29Maribeth Whitehouse: park access
21:31Peggy George: can someone in the hangout ask her to share those links?
21:35Gail Desler: I’m pretty sure you are making a difference in your students’ lives, Maribeth
21:35Maribeth Whitehouse: A caring teacher is powerful BUT I don’t make the only difference
21:37Gail Desler: Thanks, Stephanie
21:39Maribeth Whitehouse: My greatest challenge: to think I make to difference vs. thinking I make all the difference
21:39Gail Desler: Hope to see a move towards portfolio assessment
21:39Maribeth Whitehouse: no difference vs. all the difference
21:41Maribeth Whitehouse: Remember when Congress had hearings on birth control and all the speakers were men?
21:41Chris Sloan: @Maribeth what are some ways to get more people helping you make the difference?
21:41Maribeth Whitehouse: That is what is like in education
21:41Maribeth Whitehouse: We have hearings on education and all of the speakers are non-educators
21:42Maribeth Whitehouse: Dansani-like issues need to be addressed at several levels
21:42Maribeth Whitehouse: school is not just the teacher
21:42Maribeth Whitehouse: school is social workers, nurses, community connections
21:45Peggy George: and custodians & cafeteria workers and bus drivers–all have important roles
21:45Maribeth Whitehouse: exactly
21:45Maribeth Whitehouse: and then move outside our school buildings
21:46Peggy George: bus drivers and crossing guards can impact the entire day of students because they are often the first people they come in contact with at the start of the day
21:46Gail Desler: Dasani’s story is also a suburban poor story
21:49Gail Desler: Very glad to learn about
21:50Maribeth Whitehouse: many people have problem with name
21:50Maribeth Whitehouse: but Mark Naison of Fordham who was one of the founders believes we need to be angrier
21:51Gail Desler: Will be proud to call myself a “bad ass teacher”
21:51Maribeth Whitehouse: they sell t-shirts “BAT”
21:51Peggy George: thanks Chris!
21:52Peggy George: Thanks Maribeth for adding those links to the Titanpad!
21:52Chris Sloan: @Peggy, as a photographer, I thought you’d enjoy the Lens blog story
21:54Peggy George: absolutely!!!
21:56Gail Desler: “long form journalism”?
21:56Maribeth Whitehouse: “We can’t read that much” – websites are now listing the estimated amount of time they believe it will take to read
21:56Maribeth Whitehouse: so that potential readers can decide if they want to spend their time on the piece
21:57Maribeth Whitehouse: The idea of longer thoughtful articles flies in the face of the reading and writing students are encouraged to do in school
21:57Peggy George: Marina is the star!! love it!
22:04Chris Sloan: Bravo Maribeth!
22:04Marina: that was beautifully said!
22:05Maribeth Whitehouse: I’m such a baby. I can’t talk about my students or our challenges without getting teary.
22:06Maribeth Whitehouse: Thank you all!
22:06Chris Sloan: Inspirational Maribeth!
22:06Peggy George: that’s what were talkin’ about–teachers who care!!! Thanks Maribeth!
22:07Peggy George: yes!!! keep Maribeth talking!!
22:10Peggy George: thanks everyone for another great, thought-provoking conversation!
22:10Peggy George: good night all!

Al Elliott, Chris Sloan, Dasani, Maribeth Whitehouse, Marina Lombardo, Paul Allison, Stephanie West-Puckett, change, homelessness, poverty, school, teachers
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TTT#367 Why Open Matters When We Share Curriculum – Connected Educator Month Series (2 of 5) 10.9.13

On this episode of TTT, recorded on 10.9.13 as part of our series of Connected Educator Month shows, we explore why open matters when we share curriculum.

We are joined by:

Greg Mcverry's profile photo Greg McVerry Christina Cantrill's profile photo Christina Cantrill Johanna Paraiso's profile photo Johanna Paraiso
Karen Fasimpaur's profile photo Karen Fasimpaur Joann Boettcher's profile photo Joann Boettcher Sheri Edwards's profile photo Sheri Edwards

Here’s a Digital Is resource on this topic, written by one of our frequent (and always welcomed) guests on TTT, Karen Fasimpaur:

Why does “open” matter?

Creative Commons Licence

There is a lot of talk about “open” these days. It’s the new black. It’s cool and hip, and marketeers are calling their products “open,” whether they are or not.

But what does “open” really mean? And why should we care?

For the purposes of this discussion, “open” refers to content that can be remixed, modified, and redistributed by anyone.

There’s an endless supply of free content on the Internet. How is open different from everything else that is free? In the United States, any content that is not public domain (by virtue of its age or designation as such by the creator) is copyrighted, whether or not it is indicated as such. Subject to certain excpeptions such as fair use, the copyright owner has exclusive rights to reproduce, prepare derivatives, and distribute the copyrighted work (section 107 of the copyright law).*

Open-licensed content, though, can be reused and redistributed without prior permission.

The most common open licenses are those provided by Creative Commons. An attachment below summarizes the various licenses and gives more info about open resources.

As educators, why should we care about open? Some of the reasons include economics, remixability, and promoting a culture of sharing. We’ll explore each of these in the chapters that follow.


– See more at:

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Chat from October 9, 2013

20:48Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: hello
20:49Paul Allison: Hi! Please join us if you can.
20:56Sheri Edwards: Hello!
20:57Peggy George: Hi Sheri, Paul and Greg πŸ™‚
20:58Sheri Edwards: Hi Peggy!
20:58Peggy George: Teacher Voice sounds like a great topic!
21:00Peggy George: Just started following you Greg πŸ™‚
21:00Peggy George: Hi Karen!!
21:00Peggy George: Karen what is the view outside your window?
21:01Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: Hello
21:01Christina: Hi Sheri and Peggy!
21:01Peggy George: Hi Joann! hearing you great
21:01Peggy George: Hi Christina πŸ™‚ love meeting you here every week!
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, everyone.
21:02Peggy George: Hi Karen πŸ™‚
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Would anyone like to join us in the hangout?
21:03karen (@kfasimpaur): There’s room.
21:03Christina: you too Peggy!
21:03Peggy George: so many terrific things happening on Connected Educator Month!!
21:04Darren Cambridge: Quick hello, everyone. Great topic. Sorry I can’t stay long.
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): HI, Darren.
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Join us in the hangout if you can/would like (link above)
21:05Peggy George: I took the opportunity to share Youth Voices in Anne Mirtschin’s TechTalkTuesday this week. They were talking about student blogging and the importance of student voice. Perfect fit!
21:05Peggy George: Hi Darren! Welcome!
21:06Sheri Edwards: I will pop out if others want to join the hangout.
21:06Christina: Hi Darren … want to share a little about Connected Educator Month!
21:06Peggy George: hooray Sheri! πŸ™‚ always love hearing from you!
21:06Darren Cambridge: Hi everyone!
21:06Peggy George: woo hoo!! shoutout to Darren!
21:07Darren Cambridge: You really don’t want to see what I look like right now.
21:07Christina: πŸ™‚
21:07Christina: well, welcome anyway. chat is perfect for the bedraggled!
21:08Peggy George: I can definitely relate Darren!
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): Peggy, that’s our water tower #rural
21:09Peggy George: when I was completing my doctorate back in the early 70’s my focus was teacher education and open education. At that time open really meant breaking down walls but was before all of the developments of internet and social media πŸ™‚
21:10karen (@kfasimpaur): I think open still means that too
21:10Peggy George: I thought I recognized the water tower πŸ™‚ grew up near one of those in MT (also rural)
21:11Peggy George: integrated day/open education were tied together for me at that time.
21:12Peggy George: many districts say that if the work was done with school materials/equipment on school time it belongs to the district
21:13chadsansing: I wonder about making “school” a more open platform. How do you get a school borad behind open resources when systems are not particularly open organisms? Lots of ways, I’m sure, to find –
21:14chadsansing: “board” –
21:14karen (@kfasimpaur): hey chad
21:14chadsansing: Hey, All πŸ™‚
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): good point chad
21:15Sheri Edwards: chad, please join the hangout
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): Open can mean less (or less restrictive) “curriculum”
21:16Peggy George: most teachers I know just create it and take it with them–they don’t ask permission
21:16chadsansing: In VA, you sign something saying you understand that your license can be taken if you talk openly about end-of-year test content. If we want materials that are aligned and whatnot, the only sources able to offer such materials are those w/ access to the tests and profiting from’em. Tough situation.
21:20Peggy George: Hi Chad πŸ™‚
21:20chadsansing: Paul Allison, you Hulkwise scallywag!
21:20Peggy George: hahahaha!
21:21karen (@kfasimpaur): Funny…”open curriculum” (open licensed) can be open or closed in the broader sense
21:22Christina: I tend to think the there is always a curriculum around us …
21:23Peggy George: is open just being transparent or much more–shared decisionmaking, open dialogue among diverse people or ???
21:23chadsansing: Maybe open “curriculum” can be described as the sum total of what’s learned in open communities using open pedagogies and platforms (or some combination thereof). Maybe it’s symptomatic or an output of intentional interpersonal practices more than a packaged something or other.
21:24karen (@kfasimpaur): open can mean many things
21:24Peggy George: definitely more than a packaged something πŸ™‚
21:25karen (@kfasimpaur): I like open as not “packaged”
21:25karen (@kfasimpaur): Chad, Monika has asked me to beg you to join the hangout πŸ™‚
21:25karen (@kfasimpaur): You can leave video off
21:25chadsansing: Gotta slink away, but will ponder openess. Also expecting a fun #TTT from Boston, Paul –
21:26Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: chas see you in Boston
21:26karen (@kfasimpaur): hate to see you go… maybe you can join us in the next couple wks
21:27Peggy George: glad you could join us Chad
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): Why is it hard to share? Fear of failure?
21:28Peggy George: sharing means taking risks
21:28karen (@kfasimpaur): yes
21:29Peggy George: fear of criticism and being challenged too
21:29karen (@kfasimpaur): I think many folks find sharing f2f as hard as sharing online, no?
21:30karen (@kfasimpaur): (for me sometimes harder…depending on the context)
21:30Peggy George: I agree Karen
21:30Peggy George: but written word published online or recorded in a hangout like this are there forever
21:30karen (@kfasimpaur): ugh πŸ˜‰
21:31Peggy George: that’s a really big risk for lots of teachers and administrators too
21:31karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, now more than ever
21:31karen (@kfasimpaur): I think right now many are pulling back on sharing and being open
21:32karen (@kfasimpaur): it’s a scarey time
21:32karen (@kfasimpaur): …in schools and in society
21:32Peggy George: I agree
21:32karen (@kfasimpaur): (This is reminding me of Steve’s keynote for K-12 Online)
21:32Peggy George: but I have found when you sourround yourself with other educators who want to share openly you gain courage to share yourself
21:33Peggy George: definitely πŸ™‚
21:34karen (@kfasimpaur): very true peggy
21:35karen (@kfasimpaur): It should be the student’s choice to share their work not ours
21:35Peggy George: most of my university colleagues were not that interested in publicly, openly sharing their work. Probaly because of tenure-track requirements for publish/perish and ownership of their work was important.
21:36Peggy George: I wasn’t on a tenure track by choice and I didn’t feel those restrictions but I also didn’t share that philosophy.
21:36karen (@kfasimpaur): There were some folks trying to get tenure publishing credit for open licensed publishing
21:36Peggy George: that’s a big challenge!
21:36karen (@kfasimpaur): It really is a philosophy
21:38Peggy George: we had some very interesting conversations on our ISTE SIGTE planning team wanting to change our award from a research award to a teacher educator award. Univ. folks were used to rewarding peer-reviewed articles published in journals
21:38Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: Peggy I think there can be a balance
21:38Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: If we look at engaged scholarship
21:38Peggy George: we now have an award that recognizes teacher educators doing the work in schools/districts and online but not in universities–huge positive change I believe
21:39Peggy George: there can definitely be a balance
21:39Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: nice Peggy
21:39Peggy George: and should be
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): interesting… One thing I found out for myself this summer was that I could never really be happy in the higher ed environment
21:39Peggy George: πŸ™‚ I’m not in it any more either Karen
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): lack of openness is a part of that, but many other factors
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): πŸ™‚
21:40Peggy George: I grew tired of everything being based on accountability, grading, evaluating and not learning and authentic timely feedback to support the learning
21:41karen (@kfasimpaur): Wow, surprised it took 40 minutes for NSA to come up
21:41Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:41Sheri Edwards: Our students love Google Apps. So easy.
21:42Peggy George: google apps are much more open than Moodle
21:42karen (@kfasimpaur): not from every standpoint
21:42Peggy George: you can’t take your Moodle documents/portfolios with you once you leave the institution
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, you can…not easy, but you can
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): Also, google can do whatever they want with your stuff tomorrow…not the case with moodle
21:43Peggy George: it isn’t easy
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): true
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): But “we” as a community could alter Moodle code to make this easy
21:43karen (@kfasimpaur): not the case with Google
21:44Peggy George: but schools choose it because it can be controlled
21:44karen (@kfasimpaur): CONTROL – key point
21:44Peggy George: true about open doesn’t mean free
21:44karen (@kfasimpaur): control is why many folks aren’t open
21:45Peggy George: yes
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): I think hte NSA just sensored my last comment πŸ™‚
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): I’ll try again…
21:48Peggy George: connection froze up πŸ™ had to refresh
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): adult conrol over kids, admin control over teachers, govt control over everything
21:49Peggy George: πŸ™‚ no wonder my connection froze up!
21:49karen (@kfasimpaur): πŸ™‚
21:49karen (@kfasimpaur): that’s ok, i’m sure i’m already on many govt lists
21:50Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:50Peggy George: I probably am too
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): most thoughtful people probably are
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): thoughtful = thinking
21:51Peggy George: and I’m not really worried about that
21:51karen (@kfasimpaur): yep
21:52Peggy George: I love hearing teachers talk about getting started with Youth Voices!! so exciting and energizing!
21:54Peggy George: speaking of openness… Greg is live blogging this conversation πŸ™‚
21:54karen (@kfasimpaur): I wondered what in the heck he was writing πŸ™‚
21:55Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:55Peggy George: want to take back anything you said πŸ™‚
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): that wouldn’t be very “open” of me…still, I reserve the right to take back everything πŸ™‚
21:56Peggy George: just sayin’…
21:56Peggy George: that’s what I don’t worry about
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): and he’s reading our chat too. good multitaking skills.
21:57Peggy George: ultimate multi-tasker!
21:57karen (@kfasimpaur): we need to get him on the k-12 online team
21:57Peggy George: good idea!
21:58Peggy George: welcome back Greg! we were talking about you while you were away
21:59Greg McVerry @jgmac1106: yeah etherpad disconnected me
22:00Peggy George: me too Greg!
22:00Peggy George: we have no conrol over what NSA does
22:01karen (@kfasimpaur): Of course we do! longer term…
22:01Peggy George: I won’t live that long
22:01karen (@kfasimpaur): My last plug – support EFF, the ACLU and other relevant orgs
22:01Peggy George: good point Karen. having these conversations is really important
22:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Enjoyed the conversation tonight! Thanks.
22:02Peggy George: me too! thanks
22:02Peggy George: good night everyone

Christina Cantrill, Connected Educator Month, Digital Is…, Greg McVerry, Joann Boettcher, Johanna Paraiso, Karen Fasimpaur, Monika Hardy, OER, Open Educational Resources, Paul Allison, Sheri Edwards, curriculum, open education, sharing, youth voices

TTT#371 Social Media in Schools? Paige Woodard, Jo Paraiso and her students: Bassam Taleb, Katia Navidad, Jorge Espinoza 11.6.13

On this episode of TTT we discuss social media in education with several high school students. We are joined by:

Paige is on a mission, and we learn a lot by when Joanna’s students who are working on join her in this conversation.

Here’s what Paige wrote recently on Shane Haggerty’s blog

Changing the education system is difficult, but tangible.

For the past three months I have focused on integrating social media into the education system and, surprisingly, have found countless administrators, teachers, and social media gurus alike that are passionate about assisting me in my mission.

My social media education mission began with a simple Twitter account and blog on WordPress, yet my ultimate goal is to film a DVD to sell to school administrators that will explain why social media is beneficial in the classroom and how it can be incorporated into the curriculum.

Paige also writes (in an email):

I am really interested in students’ responsibility on social media and why they should monitor what they share, as college admissions and future employers alike research you on social media before accepting you into their college/university or allow you to represent their business.

I am also advocating for social media usage in the classroom because it exposes students to countless opportunities unavailable to them in their school district. As an example, without the use of social media and networking, I would not have made a presentation to Howard Rheingold’s class at Stanford University.

I am happy to brainstorm any other ideas as well.

Want more? Here’s Howard Rheingold’s interview with Paige and and her teacher, Don Wettrick, “Freedom, Autonomy, and Digital Media at an Indiana High School”

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Chat from November 6, 2013

20:55Paul: Hi everyone!
20:55Paul: i’ve got Torin on my lap, asleep
20:55Paul: so i’m trying to type quietly πŸ™‚
20:56Paul: I’m excited that Jo and her students will be on the program
20:56Paul: I hope she talks up our EDDA project!
20:56Peggy George: Hi Paul! πŸ™‚
20:56Paul: Hey Peggy!
20:56Peggy George: stream hasn’t started yet, right? πŸ™‚
20:57Paul: if it has, i don’t see it πŸ™‚
20:57Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:00karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, everyone.
21:00Peggy George: Hi Karen!
21:03Young Whan Choi: Hello, everyone. My name is Young Whan from Oakland.
21:03karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, Young.
21:03Young Whan Choi: I work with Oh no, Paul Oh.
21:03Young Whan Choi: Is this Torin’s first TTT?
21:04Peggy George: Hi Young! Welcome! great to have you joining us!
21:05Young Whan Choi: Great to be here! or virtually there
21:06Peggy George: I learned about a great new tool for creating Lower Thirds in Hangouts. Can create your image and just upload it when you’re in the hangout.
21:07Peggy George: that was a deep sigh πŸ™‚
21:08Paul: Hi all – sorry, had to do a diaper change πŸ™‚
21:08Paul: is the show streaming yet?
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): TMI
21:08Peggy George: yes it’s streaming
21:08Paul: and yes, this is torin’s first
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, it’s streaming
21:08Paul: @Karen better than having to change my own diaper
21:08Peggy George: hahahaha
21:08Paul: oh wait, is this chat archived? πŸ™‚
21:08Paul: Hi there Young Whan!
21:10Paul: i’m not seeing the stream
21:11Peggy George: yes the recording will be archived but not sure about the chat
21:11Peggy George: refresh your page Paul
21:12Peggy George: you can also view directly on youtube here:
21:13Peggy George: really interested in hearing about her research projects on social media!
21:14Peggy George: did she Don Wettrick?
21:14karen (@kfasimpaur): Love it…I’ll order a dozen copies.
21:14Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:14monika: hello
21:15Peggy George: Hi Monika
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, monika
21:15Peggy George: Eric S. was a great principal to interview!
21:16monika: new look on google plus
21:17Peggy George: are you going in the hangout Monika?
21:17Paul: hi monika!
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, new look but no real new features… go figure
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): Wonder how the parents in Paige’s district feel….
21:18Paul: thanks for the tip, Peggy – refresh didthe trick
21:19Peggy George: great!
21:19monika: that’s howard’s interview of paige and don
21:20Peggy George: thanks!
21:21Peggy George: I’m keeping the stream open in a separate window on youtube so I don’t have to keep scrolling up and down to see the chat. Working pretty well.
21:22monika: oh .. good idea..
21:23Peggy George: much easier to just click that to keep scrolling πŸ™‚
21:23monika: ah. thanks Peggy.. so smart
21:24Peggy George: πŸ™‚ shucks…
21:25Peggy George: Paige is doing a super job! very articulate πŸ™‚
21:27Peggy George: awesome place for her to start πŸ™‚ Youth Voices!
21:27monika: oooh
21:28karen (@kfasimpaur): “Twitter, maybe” Really??
21:28monika: no facebook?
21:28Peggy George: what makes the alternatives better?
21:28karen (@kfasimpaur): the reason people use fb and twitter is because that’s where people are.
21:28Peggy George: exactly!
21:28monika: yeah. that.
21:29Paul: yes, totally
21:29karen (@kfasimpaur): πŸ™‚
21:29Peggy George: you have to bring your own value to FB and Twitter
21:29Paul: what is popular among youth today in terms of social media?
21:30monika: ha. this is how the curriculum was built.. to each his own
21:30Peggy George: powerful argument in defense of Twitter & social media! Hooray Paige!
21:30karen (@kfasimpaur): twitter more than fb i think
21:31monika: but if no one is modeling it used… it is or can seem useless.
21:31Peggy George: very true
21:31karen (@kfasimpaur): “empower yourself”…always good advice
21:32Peggy George: but just because we are surrounded by people it doesn’t mean that they are valuable contributors to our learning.
21:32Paul: we’ve seen interesting work happen as part of KQED Education’s Do Now Twitter program
21:32karen (@kfasimpaur): that’s the truth
21:32Peggy George: great point Paul!
21:32Young Whan Choi: I think that it’s important to consider the race and cultural context of the two students
21:32monika: it’s like making people go to a party where they know no one
21:33Peggy George: love that analogy Monika
21:33monika: and their other choice is to go to a party that old people designed.. where their friends might not be..
21:34monika: : )
21:34Paul: @Young Whan danah boyd did a lot of interesting research related to class and race and social media, particularly FB and My Space
21:34monika: huge reaffirmation that we need open ness
21:34Young Whan Choi: Thanks Paul. I’d love to see that research
21:35Paul: let me look for it. brb.
21:36Young Whan Choi: I would like to hear how Paige addresses the point that Paul A made about the corporate presence in schools
21:36monika: that at least points to her
21:36Young Whan Choi: Or anyone for that matter
21:36Young Whan Choi: Thanks Monika!
21:36Paul: thanks monika!
21:37Paul: and here’s the pdf i was thinking of:
21:37Young Whan Choi: What makes twitter a better social media tool than fb?
21:38Paul: Young Whan, you should consider jumping into the hangout and asking your questions.
21:38karen (@kfasimpaur): Paige on twitter @paige_woodard
21:38Peggy George: I love reading Danah Boyd’s blog!
21:38Peggy George: thanks for the link!
21:41karen (@kfasimpaur): Saying there’s porn on the Tumblr is like saying there’s porn on the Internet…it doesn’t make sense to block the whole thing
21:41monika: tumblr is great
21:42Peggy George: I love that she is selecting the tools that best meet her needs
21:42monika: yeah.. i talked to danah boyd back in 2009.. she reaffirmed the best filter is a human
21:42monika: open
21:44Paul: on a HOMAGO geekout a couple of weeks ago, Alex, a teen, talked about his insterest in fashion and design – then showed his work on his tumblr blog
21:44Peggy George: Monika–do you consider Youth Voices this way “and their other choice is to go to a party that old people designed.. where their friends might not be.. “
21:44Paul: which he found to be more visually apealing and also where the people whose opinions mattered to him were situated
21:44monika: yes @paul – a lot of youth love tumblr
21:45Paul: @monika totally makes sense to me
21:45Peggy George: great examples Paige
21:46monika: @peggy – i think youth voices is doing amazing things.. thanks to Paul, et al, for setting youth free there..
21:47monika: different than making a kid only blog on a site you picked.. and about a certain topic
21:47Peggy George: true–just wanted to clarify since he was the creator of YV
21:47Young Whan Choi: I think that the benefit of site like youthvoices is that it creates a safe space
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): safe, how?
21:47Young Whan Choi: Jo has spoken about how important that is as a place for youth to test their ideas
21:48Young Whan Choi: safe, meaning that the students are not worried that their ideas will be attacked
21:48karen (@kfasimpaur): got it
21:48Young Whan Choi: disagreements are raised civilly
21:48Young Whan Choi: or that conversations won’t devolve into personal attacks
21:49monika: i missed what paul disagreed with paige about
21:49Paul: @monika Paige said spaces like Edmodo do not have as members experts and others in the wider world
21:49Young Whan Choi: on the use of twitter being important versus other social media
21:50monika: thanks
21:50Paul: And Paul initially disagreed
21:50Peggy George: why the need for FB & Twitter–I think. Confusing to me
21:50Peggy George: because they are corporate owned
21:50karen (@kfasimpaur): it was kind of the point we were talking about b4…sites like twitter are where people are even if we don’t particularly like the corp-control aspect
21:51Peggy George: there’s no guarantee of focused attention in the classroom even without mobile devices
21:51Young Whan Choi: the point about personal responsibility is a critical part of bringing this technology into classrooms
21:52Peggy George: I agree Young and that is why they need to be able to use them in school so they can learn about responsible use–their parents aren’t necessarily the best role models!
21:53monika: where might minds go if we didn’t think we had to keep their attention.. esp for things they aren’t asking about
21:53Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:56Peggy George: this was an awesome program on Frontline Digital Nation where they dealt with the myth of teens and multitasking
21:57Young Whan Choi: Thanks, everyone for the conversation! I hope to be back again soon.
21:58Peggy George: thanks for joining us!
21:59Paul: Bye, Young Whan!
21:59Paul: for me, the question about social media is less about paying attention or not in school, but it’s about: what does learning look like today and into the future?
21:59monika: This is really what the whole debate over compulsory schooling is about. Do we trust people’s capacity to be curious or not? – Astra Taylor
22:00Peggy George: great way to state it Paul!
22:00Paul: and i would argue that we are more and more learning via SM, 24/7
22:00Paul: it’s only in school where that isn’t happening
22:00Peggy George: loved that point–she said ill equipped and not reluctant…
22:01karen (@kfasimpaur): in the future, things won’t look anything like they do now. hope we’re teaching self directed learning as well.
22:01monika: i want to meet that girl
22:01monika: katia
22:02Peggy George: this has been a great conversation!
22:02monika: it has.. thanks so much to everyone
22:02karen (@kfasimpaur): good conversation. thanks everyone.
22:02Paul: good night all!
22:02Paul: thanks!
22:03Peggy George: good night Paul
22:05Peggy George: fascinating area of study-women in construction
22:05karen (@kfasimpaur): that’s city talk…out here in the sticks, women construction workers (or ranchers or xyz) don’t get a 2nd look
22:05Peggy George: πŸ™‚
22:07monika: that’s cool how when people are talking their name shows up now
22:07karen (@kfasimpaur): really, it’s refreshing
22:07Peggy George: yes nice addition
22:07karen (@kfasimpaur): yes, monika, that’s new
22:08monika: i’d like jo and her kids to come on again
22:08karen (@kfasimpaur): definitely
22:11monika: whoa
22:12Peggy George: kudos to Paige! super job!! she held her own!!!
22:12monika: yes.. Piage is great
22:13karen (@kfasimpaur): Thanks, everyone.
22:13Peggy George: love the student connections being made here!
22:13monika: yes
22:13karen (@kfasimpaur): see you all soon!
22:13monika: later loves
22:13Peggy George: it was so much fun having Jeff Lebow on the show a couple of weeks ago! so great to see him!
22:14Peggy George: good night all!
22:14Peggy George: see you next week!

Bassam Taleb, Fremont High School, Johanna Paraiso, Jorge Espinoza, Katia Navidad, Paige Woodard, Twitter, blogging, social media, students, youth voices

TTT#366 Connected Educator Month w/ Sheri Edwards, Valerie Burton, Jo Paraiso, Joann Boettcher, K. Fasimpaur, Alan Levine 10.02

CEM 2013 is ON! This is the first of five special episodes of TTT we did as part of Connected Educator Month. We gathered for this episode of TTT on October 2 to talk about what it means for each of us to be “connected” — and how this has changed our work with studnets. Enjoy!

Here’s who join us for this episode:

Christina Cantrill's profile photo Christina Cantrill Sheri Edwards's profile photo Sheri Edwards Valerie Burton's profile photo Valerie Burton
Johanna Paraiso's profile photo Johanna Paraiso Joann Boettcher's profile photo Joann Boettcher Karen Fasimpaur's profile photo Karen Fasimpaur Alan Levine's profile photo Alan Levine

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find a couple of links to the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Notes from the Webcast:

5 card Flickr stories –
5-card stud writing activity
Lifelong kindergarten –

Chat from October 2, 2013

20:54Paul Allison: Hi All!
20:54Paul Allison: Join us in the Hangout if you can.
20:59Sheri Edwards: Hi Karen
20:59Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Hello all
20:59karen (@kfasimpaur): Greetings everyone.
21:00Peggy George: Hi everyone!
21:00Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Hey Peggyeeeeeee
21:00karen (@kfasimpaur): Hi, Peggy!
21:01Sheri Edwards: HI Peggy
21:01karen (@kfasimpaur): Thre’s room in the hangout if anyone would like to join us.
21:02Peggy George: Hi Sheri, Karen, Valerie and Paul πŸ™‚
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Connected Educator month is how I got to know Sheri. (I think.)
21:03karen (@kfasimpaur): Who is that behind Christina? πŸ˜‰
21:03Peggy George: there are so many amazing opportunities this month!
21:03Sheri Edwards: Yes, you facilitated our presentation — Denise Krebs and myself. We couldn’t have done it without you!
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): I remember how happy I was when you emailed me, Sheri.
21:04karen (@kfasimpaur): And even more happy with how you followed through…and even happier now that we’ve gotten to be friends!
21:04Sheri Edwards: πŸ™‚ Yes!
21:04Peggy George: πŸ™‚ don’t you love all of these great connections!! πŸ™‚
21:05Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Ahhh, I am feeling the love Sheri and Karen
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): yes. Peggy, you and I are connected in so many ways!
21:05Alan (@cogdog): Howdy I recognize Karen’s window
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): <oops…muting my typing>
21:05Chris Sloan: Howdy
21:05karen (@kfasimpaur): Hey, Alan! Good to see you here.
21:06Peggy George: πŸ™‚
21:06Peggy George: Hi Chris and Alan!! Always great to be in sessions with you!
21:06karen (@kfasimpaur): I was just going to invite you to another show we’re doing in mid-Oct. …
21:06Peggy George: @Alan I’ve been loving all of the new photos you’ve been posting on Flickr. πŸ™‚ I’m a stalker. πŸ™‚
21:07karen (@kfasimpaur): about ongoing, opt-in educator “shows” … We want to learn about DS106
21:07Christina: she’s my good side, karen!
21:07karen (@kfasimpaur): does she have a name?
21:07karen (@kfasimpaur): Nice, Peggy. I didn’t know. πŸ˜‰
21:08Alan (@cogdog): Thanks peggy. I was going to say I know you were there but I would be kidding.
21:08Marcie Lewis : Hi Everyone!
21:08karen (@kfasimpaur): HI, Marcie.
21:08Peggy George: hahaha Alan!!
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): If anyone else wants to join us in the hangout, there’s room and you’re welcome!
21:09Peggy George: I love it when fellow Arizonans join us for these sessions!
21:09karen (@kfasimpaur): Alan, have you been in/on TTT b4?
21:10karen (@kfasimpaur): Online spaces as safer…that’s interesting.
21:10monika: hello all
21:10karen (@kfasimpaur): Hey Monika
21:10Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Hey Monika
21:11Alan (@cogdog): @karen first time listener
21:12Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Welcome Alan
21:12Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Welcome Marcie
21:12Sheri Edwards: Hello cogdog @grammasheri here! Welcome.
21:13Peggy George: Hi monika! Great to see you!
21:13monika: likewise Peggy
21:14Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline:
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur): True, “connected” is more than just being online.
21:15Peggy George: absolutely Karen!!
21:15karen (@kfasimpaur):collaboration….openness… what else?
21:16Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Connected to me does refer more to utilizing the connections for the joy of having resources
21:16karen (@kfasimpaur): re: Youth Voices, our friend Areeg has a new post up about Egypt:
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): @MsB Joy…I like that.
21:17Peggy George: I really liked all 3 panels yesterday in the kickoff sessions for CEM! One was called From Connection to Collaboration and it was excellent.
21:17Peggy George: Tom Carroll, Kecia Ray, Mark Prensky, Connie Yowell, and Yong Zhao, Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach
21:17Sheri Edwards: I looked for the archives Peggy — will they be?
21:17karen (@kfasimpaur): I missed that one. WIll have to catch the archive
21:18Chris Sloan: I took a class from Yong Zhao. Love that guy
21:18karen (@kfasimpaur): Archive page for CEM seems to have an erroe
21:19Peggy George: me too Chris. He was great and there was tons of interaction in the chat room
21:19karen (@kfasimpaur): Usually take them a few days to get them posted
21:19Peggy George: don’t think the recordings are posted yet
21:19Peggy George: yes
21:19Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Other Connected Educator events can be found here
21:20Peggy George: 3 Arizonans tonight!! πŸ™‚
21:21karen (@kfasimpaur): We did DS106 type photo challenges with little kids here too
21:21Peggy George: love your tweets for tonight’s show Valeria! πŸ™‚
21:21monika: chaordic-ness. whimsy. yes.
21:21Sheri Edwards:
21:22karen (@kfasimpaur): Links in the doc to the right as well
21:22Peggy George: that’s so exciting to hear Alan talking about this project!
21:22Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: It is because it is really fun to play with the cards
21:23Peggy George: the photos really give yo something to write/tell stories about πŸ™‚
21:23karen (@kfasimpaur): We did a 5 card stud writing activity in writing project this summer that was awesome (diff from this though)
21:24Peggy George: I didn’t know that idea started with Scott. πŸ™‚ I heard Wes Fryer present about it and write about it
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): I wonder how many teachers think about having their own online space and/or domain
21:27karen (@kfasimpaur): I’m thinking not many
21:28Peggy George: Sheri–you NEED to be a featured teacher on Classroom 2.0 LIVE!!! You have so many awesome things to share!!
21:29Peggy George: Karen did you blog about the 5 card stud writing activity? really sounds wonderful!!
21:29Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Karen, that sounds crazy to me.
21:29Sheri Edwards: Thanks, Peggy
21:30Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: I always want to share everything online
21:30karen (@kfasimpaur): I didn’t but I should. It was awesome (credit Chris Burnham)
21:31Sheri Edwards: by Will Chamberlain
21:33Peggy George: great point! it’s not an option to NOT do it but there can be lots of ways to get there…
21:35karen (@kfasimpaur): It started with a guided meditation, which was awesome in and of itself, as a writing exercise
21:36monika: future platform in your head.. ness. multiple web communities..
21:36Peggy George: is there a limit to how much Youth Voices can grow?
21:36Peggy George: thanks Karen!!
21:36karen (@kfasimpaur): technical limit? support limit? not that I know of
21:37Peggy George: both which might impact how many classes/teachers/students can get involved
21:37Peggy George: can the platform manage unlimited numbers of students?
21:37karen (@kfasimpaur): my sense is that there isn’t a practical limit looming
21:38Christina: I like “positive personal space” …
21:38karen (@kfasimpaur): The platform isn’t limited to a number of users…there are practical bandwidth consideration I suppose
21:38Christina: and it make me think that Youth Voices is a “positive community space”
21:38Peggy George: yes with increased numbers means lots more interaction
21:39karen (@kfasimpaur): Where to post things — that’s a big issue for me.
21:39Peggy George: eager to read that Chris. I recently watched the movie about the young people that lost their lives to bears in Glacier Park (my old home town area)
21:41Peggy George: “Glacier Park’s Night of the Grizzlies”
21:41monika: 2 great recent talks if you missed them: – antero
21:42monika: and ethan:
21:42Peggy George: where to post things is a frequent issue for me–with so much openness and encouragement for participation it’s hard to get a conversation going. During a Hangout people are tweeting to different hashtags, commenting on youtube, commenting on G+, etc.
21:44Chris Sloan: @Peggy, kind of what I mean by “shouts in a crowd.” when my students tweet and post without having much conversation around those things. Or scattered conversations that lose power with a dispersion
21:44Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Good comment, learning new ways to do things
21:45Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Sharing allows us to grow and learn
21:45Christina: Paul — did you get an email about badges tonight?
21:46Peggy George: I totally agree about the value of these sessions/conversations! They should receive PD/CE credits if they want/need them
21:47karen (@kfasimpaur): I like what Jo is saying. Equity doesn’t mean everyone has to have the exact same thing.
21:47Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: I was told to leave my computer/iPad in the classroom for today’s PD. It blew my mind because I was trying to figure out how I was supposed to take notes. …. Pen and Paper?? What!!!!
21:48Peggy George: exactly!!! According to Thomas Jefferson β€œThere is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people.”
21:48Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Why would I just take notes on paper when I could do it digitally to share with other educators, or schools, or the district. For me if there is something worth writing down, I feel that it is worth sharing.
21:48Peggy George: oh no Valerie!!
21:49monika: @Chris @Peggy – the web wants to connect us better..
21:49Christina: “good for them”
21:49monika: and spot on .. we unleash the kids.. we don’t have to do it
21:49Sheri Edwards: Agree and good point, Valerie
21:49Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: I had to tell a teacher that I had an Individual Educational Plan that called for me to use technology to record information.
21:49Christina: jinks monika!
21:49Peggy George: πŸ™‚ Monika
21:52Peggy George: Love Audrey Watters! She and Steve Hargadon are co-keynoters for the Open Learning strand in the K12 Online Conference.
21:53Peggy George: love that story!!
21:54Peggy George: good problem solving Valerie! better than what you had!
21:56Peggy George: just heard a really sad story by an amazing educator friend who wrote yesterday that she QUIT! She was a tech facilitator for 1:1 initiative and everything was being blocked by the administration and it conflicted too deeply with her values & priorities for kids using the tools that she couldn’t in good conscience continue.
21:56Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Oh no Peggy
21:56karen (@kfasimpaur): I’ve seen some very good teachers leave formal teaching in the last year or so
21:57Peggy George: very rare for someone being able to/willing to take a stand like that!
21:57Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: That is so heart breaking
21:57karen (@kfasimpaur): There are other opportunities though in informal spaces?
21:57Peggy George: me too Karen!
21:57karen (@kfasimpaur): like you and I Peggy (informal spaces)
21:57Peggy George: yes other opportunities but what about the kids she’s leaving behind??
21:57karen (@kfasimpaur): They need informal spaces too
21:58Peggy George: so many kids are missing out on meaning education because of these kinds of decisions
21:58Peggy George: meaningful
21:58karen (@kfasimpaur): yes…and not because of good teachers leaving
21:59Alan (@cogdog): We have a culture in ds106 of failing in public
21:59karen (@kfasimpaur): #clmooc too… we love failing πŸ™‚
21:59Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Ahh @Alan Failure is Learning though
21:59Christina: @karen she needs a name …
21:59Peggy George: would love to hear you say more about that Alan!
21:59Christina: Paula?
22:00Alan (@cogdog): @peggy see all the typos in my blog πŸ˜‰
22:00Christina: @Alan … yes, that requires practice too!
22:00monika: thanks guys..
22:00Peggy George: πŸ™‚
22:00Christina: Well, failing is not so hard. Embracing it .. harder.
22:00Peggy George: autocorrect doesn’t help either!!!
22:00Christina: Hi Peggy!
22:00Peggy George: Hi Christina πŸ™‚
22:01Christina: life long kindergarten!
22:02Peggy George: so cute!!!
22:03Peggy George: there certainly is a lot we can learn from Kindergarten!
22:03Peggy George: can you share the link she shared in the Hangout to her website?
22:03Peggy George: see it in the Titanpad now πŸ™‚ thanks
22:03karen (@kfasimpaur): Jo’s class web site –
22:03karen (@kfasimpaur): And everyone is invited to all of our October TTT Connected Educator month shows.
22:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Next week is openness as Paul said.
22:04Peggy George: Karen what an incredible multi-tasker!!!
22:04Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Chris
22:04Peggy George: thanks Val!
22:04Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Hope that wasn’t private Chris
22:04Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Sorry
22:04karen (@kfasimpaur): Oct. 16 is teacher voice
22:05Christina: Just catching up with your story @Peggy …
22:05karen (@kfasimpaur): Oct. 23 is informal opt-in shows, etc. – podcasting and beyond
22:05Peggy George: gee whiz!! so many awesome things happening! I started this session with 210 tabs open and now I have 220!!
22:05Peggy George: really looking forward to Oct. 23rd πŸ™‚
22:05karen (@kfasimpaur): Every school district needs someone like Sheri!
22:05Peggy George: absolutely!!!!
22:07karen (@kfasimpaur): It’s the fear vs. trust issue that pervades everything…
22:07Peggy George: last week in a podcast, Kevin Honeycutt said if teachers are “waiting” to get on board with engaging students, openness, technology and connected learning it means that the students HAVE to wait. So true!
22:07Peggy George: trust is definitely something we can learn from the Finland model!
22:08Valerie Burton @MsBisOnline: Night and Thanks
22:08karen (@kfasimpaur): Great hour. Thanks all! Hope to see you next week.
22:08Christina: night all!
22:09Peggy George: thanks everyone for another great conversation!
22:09Peggy George: good night!

October 3, 2013

3:49Niyi: hello
3:49Niyi: want to know how to get admission into the program
3:52Niyi: [email protected] . pls mail me

October 5, 2013

21:20Tawanda Bromell: Hello, I am a GA Pre-K Assistant Teacher and I would like to know how do I get on board and participate in discussing awesome topics.
21:23Tawanda Bromell: My name is Tawanda Bromell and I would like to know how I get on board with discussing great topics. I am a GA Pre-K Assistant Teacher and I am looking for new ways to learn more and network with other in my profession.

October 9, 2013

21:01karen (@kfasimpaur): Hello everyone.
21:02karen (@kfasimpaur): Would anyone like to join us in the hangout? There’s room.

Alan Levine, CEM, Chris Sloan, Christina Cantrill, Connected Educator Month, Joann Boettcher, Johanna Paraiso, Karen Fasimpaur, Paul Allison, Sheri Edwards, Valerie Burton

TTT#372 Get Skills! Be Awesome! Developments at with Andrew Sliwinski, Megan Leppla, Jim Chandler, Chad Sansing 11.13.13

On this episode, along with Paul Oh, representing the National Writing Project’s Educator Innovator project, we consider developments at with Andrew Silwinski @thisandagain, Megan Leppla @MeganLeppla from and Jim Chandler, Science teacher and DIYer from Auburn, Maine. is a “a community for passion-based learning.” Enjoy!

Click Read more to see the chat that was happening during this live webcast,
and to find a couple of links to the resources shared during this episode of TTT.

Notes from the Webcast: (Andrew Sliwenski’s projects) (Megan Leppla’s projects)
Educator Innovator (powered by the National Writing Project):

Chat from November 13, 2013

20:43Paul Allison: Hi… coming soon.
20:50chadsansing: Hi, Paul! Hi, Andrew!
20:55Peggy George: Hi Paul and Chad πŸ™‚
20:56Peggy George: Hi Andrew πŸ™‚
20:57Peggy George: hooray! seeing and hearing the stream πŸ™‚
20:57Peggy George: you’re wearing a coat Paul πŸ™‚ It was 85 degrees here in Phoenix today
21:00Christina: Hello all
21:00Peggy George: Hi Christina
21:01Joe: Hey everyone.
21:01Peggy George: Hi Joe and Chris!
21:01Christina: Hi Peggy! Hi Joe.
21:02Christina: I got an invite but I was thinking I would mostly watch tonight … and chat, of course!
21:02Chris Sloan: Howdy all
21:02Christina: We’re here! πŸ™‚
21:02Christina: Looking/sounding good from here.
21:03Chris Sloan: ditto that. Love hearing from Cahd
21:03chadsansing: Too kind.
21:03Chris Sloan: Chad
21:03Christina: It is cold on the east coast … my heat just kicked on.
21:04Christina: 32 in Philly this morning.
21:04Joe Dillon: Doesn’t Chad host one of these at midnight? Maybe he should!
21:04Peggy George: that’s my plan too Christina–watching, listening and chatting πŸ™‚
21:04Christina: Joe, are you jumping in?
21:05Joe Dillon: No, I’m just chatting. I’m very interested in DIY but I can only stay for a moment.
21:06chadsansing: Heh. Rogue.
21:08Peggy George: what exactly is DIY?
21:09Christina: Have you seen, Peggy? Or do you mean “DIY” itself?
21:09Peggy George: I’m looking at the site now.
21:10Peggy George: wasn’t sure what the group did
21:10Peggy George: student clubs for creating and sharing hobbies?
21:12Christina: oops, did it freeze on you all?
21:12Christina: back πŸ™‚
21:13chadsansing: Self-directed kids and adults – adults self-directed to make great learning spaces & practices; kids free to learn. Approachable, if not achieveable always in all places.
21:13Peggy George: it pauses every once in awhile for me
21:15Christina: Peggy, is what Andrew is sharing answering your questions …
21:15Peggy George: exactly! thanks!
21:15Christina: … I was finding it helpful to hear his explanation of the development trajectory as starting with an individual user experience …
21:15Christina: … and now expanding from that.
21:16Peggy George: love the idea!
21:17Christina: love the idea of using it as a portfolio tool.
21:17Christina: that’s lovely.
21:17Peggy George: I have grandkids that I would love to see get involved with this.
21:18chadsansing: Dangerous stuff. Paul actually played G-d in our 2012 EduCon session.
21:19Peggy George: hahahaha
21:20Peggy George: great reframing of the question–how does DIY help schools to be more like them πŸ™‚
21:21Christina: I’d love to hear Meagan talk more about this portfolio thing …
21:21Christina: … maybe she can post something about this at <sheepish grin>
21:21chadsansing: Nice, Paul!
21:23Paul: @chad if i were going to ramble on, i would have added as a for instance, i’ve been in converstaion with a few CLMOOC participants
21:24Paul: and they’ve been discussing the impact of CLMOOC and making not just on their own practice but in terms of how they are interacting with colleagues
21:24Peggy George: is the thinking that DIY projects would become integrated throughout a school day or more something like a genius hour?
21:25chadsansing: I’d be okay with such projects replacing the school day πŸ˜‰
21:25chadsansing: But I am traveling my own journey back through tradition at the moment πŸ™‚
21:26Andrew Sliwinski: @peggy We are seeing a little of both.
21:26chadsansing: @Poh: I didn’t quite mean to hold anyone responsible for changing school, but I’m curious about how orgs think about replacing/changing school.
21:27Paul: @chad yes, i figured as much – am not meaning to rant at you
21:30chadsansing: Rant at me πŸ™‚
21:30Peggy George: thanks Chad and Andrew! Lost my chat briefly but it’s back now
21:30Paul: Megan posted in the hangout chat a link to Jim’s Club: Jim’s Club:
21:30chadsansing: I wonder about what would come of comparing “we need teachers like…” with “we need schools like….”
21:31Peggy George: thanks for passing that along Paul! love seeing the examples
21:31chadsansing: In a Walk Out, Walk On way, it’s probably impossible to change the system, but, stemming from MozFest 2012 work, I still wonder what a DIY-like badge would look like for a teacher compelting open-school projects and how something like an open school certification could pushback on aewards based on test scores.
21:32chadsansing: “completing” – “compelting” is an advanced furrier technique.
21:32chadsansing: Ferrier? I’m stopping now.
21:32Peggy George: great idea Chad!
21:32Peggy George: what kids wouldnt love this kind of club??
21:33Paul: yes, great idea, Chad
21:34Peggy George: love the concept of incorporating writing and extending it beyond creating and taking photos of their projects
21:34chadsansing: @Peggy & @Poh: from the vaults:
21:35Peggy George: and the students earn badges?
21:36Paul: @peggy yes, for the identified skills
21:37Peggy George: thanks for those pictures Chad. would love to hear the stories that go with them
21:38Peggy George: is there some kind of database with DIY that connects students with other students and mentors who share their passions?
21:40chadsansing: Surely, @Andrew –
21:40Peggy George: how do they find each other?
21:42chadsansing: Where would I read about distribution channels (rhizomatic ones, too) of inquiry/passion-based/maker ed? I’d love to see a node & rhizome map.
21:42chadsansing: Where are the engagement deserts?
21:42chadsansing: How have some been successfully irrigated?
21:43Peggy George: not sure Chad. you may have to create one πŸ™‚
21:44Christina: Puppeteer! πŸ™‚
21:45chadsansing: Also a cardboard section, @Christina πŸ™‚
21:46Christina: what’s the skill … cardboarder?
21:47Peggy George:
21:48Christina: Andrew … wondering if you’d want some folks to work on the “giant puppets” section … I know folks at just fyi
21:48Peggy George: this makes it really concrete! very helpful seeing the skills
21:53Andrew Sliwinski: @christina Yes! That’s what I’m talking about! πŸ™‚
21:53Christina: yay! And btw … I think you are doing a fantastic job on …
21:54Christina: … although I appreciate your openness to thinking about this with all of us. And you are asking these kinds of questions.
21:54Peggy George: that is really cool to see!
21:56chadsansing: I am going to confess to cognitive dissoance that’s returning here: I don’t know what I- if anything – I should do, when creatives build great educational platforms in contrast to school, but also want to have a relationship with schools that I don’t quite fathom.
21:56Christina: we hear typing!
21:57chadsansing: I get relationships with educators – maybe some curation or user cases like Jim’s would be great white papers to share, but don’t schoolify that map. Every surfaced node is someone’s invitation and entry point.
21:58Christina: are you thinking Chad that platforms like this should just keep going in their direction? … I agree that the relationships are key …
21:58Christina: … and actually this invitation to build and partner on some of this building …
21:58Paul: @chad i would paraphrase something Ellen Middaugh said at a session i was involved with her on at DML last year
21:59Christina: … is potentially a great way to invite connections while not altering pathways.
21:59chadsansing: I don’t see a ton of difficulty in reaching kids or educators without schoolifying such platforms, but I don’t know the workings –
21:59Paul: That schools are the only legally mandated educational experience
21:59Paul: and so we can’t ignore schools because it’s an equity issue
21:59Paul: schools are the only place where almost all kids are, at least up until a certain age
22:00Christina: I like the partnership idea as a way to facilitate equity and rethinking …
22:00chadsansing: @Paul, right. I’m all for equity and that kind of systemic hopsice, but, non-rhetorically, is it more equitable to maintain access for all outside schools, or to enter schools which systematically deny access to certain kind of education for kids grouped in different ways in different places?
22:00Peggy George: all great points Chad–you should bring it up verbally in the group
22:00Christina: … and conversation (ie. it might not be rethinking in either way … just important to have those dialogues)
22:01Peggy George: yes
22:01chadsansing: And I see trying to do both as a good thing, but the in-school part I would always urge to be intentional and about some subversion and spread of inquiry-ethos, not as a way to “fit” into a curriculum.
22:01Christina: I love the way that Andrew is being very intentional about not being the dictator of the curriculum here ….
22:01Christina: … but instead, share that curriculu building.
22:13Peggy George: sorry–I totally lost my chat and just got it back
22:13Christina: me too.
22:13Christina: thanks everyone. great convo.
22:13Peggy George: at least I didn’t lose the video stream πŸ™‚
22:13Peggy George: thank you all! great conversation!
22:14Paul: night everyone!
22:15Andrew Sliwinski: @chad Thank you for the feedback! This is hugely helpful and I think the way you articulated it in the hangout clarified things for me.
22:17Andrew Sliwinski: I just started writing a novella in this chat window, but I would love to follow-up!
22:17Andrew Sliwinski: πŸ™‚

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