EdTechWeekly #62

EdTechWeekly #62
News,
Resources, and
Kathy
Shields

reporting on
FETC

January 27,
2008



Chat Log Below


16:54:29  Lisa Thumann ->  Aren’t you guys
exhausted?
16:55:01  JenMad ->  Hi! Thanks for joining us!
16:55:29  jepcke ->  thanks 4 posting on
twitter
16:55:34  randynobx ->  hey all
16:55:58  randynobx ->  Ed Tech Weekly starts
in 5 min right?
16:56:04  JohnS ->  yep
16:56:06  JL ->  yep
16:56:12  JohnS ->  We’re just pre-show
chatting now
16:56:27  JenMad ->  Yes, ETW in 4 min 30
seconds …
16:56:35  randynobx ->  ok, thanks
16:59:19  dougsymington ->  Hey all
16:59:27  dougsymington ->  lol
16:59:40  Lisa Thumann ->  Audio is fine.
16:59:43  dougsymington ->  audio sounds lovely
16:59:52  jepcke ->  audio sounds quite good
17:00:14  jepcke ->  don’t hear a buzz from Jen
17:00:14  Lisa Thumann ->  Jen’s buzz doesn’t
sound bad to me.
17:00:22  dougsymington ->  Jen’s buzz: 4/10
17:01:03  dougsymington ->  consistent buzz is
a good thang πŸ˜‰
17:01:45  dougsymington ->  still sounding
good on ustream
17:02:33  dougsymington ->  sound levels
seems  good, tho, yes, Dave *is* low
17:03:39  JenMad -> 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kidsonline/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_1_frontlinebrgrowinguponline_2008-01-22
17:04:12  Lisa Thumann ->  I thought it was
really balanced, but the PTO mom weas disturbing to me.
17:04:31  Kern ->  @Lisa definitely
17:04:36  JL -> 
http://educon20.wikispaces.com/
17:05:08  JL -> 
http://www.coveritlive.com/  COVERITLIVE.COM – Home
17:05:39  jepcke ->  But others CAN post
17:05:40  JohnS ->  Social sites prove hard to
leave behind : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7206852.stm
17:05:46  dougsymington ->  @Lisa: disturbing
and sad in that she doesn’t get it as she alienates her children
17:06:06  dougsymington ->  Hi ecram3
17:06:26  ecram3 ->  hello
17:06:47  Gary ->  He had a long story
17:06:50  JasonR ->  But someone may the point
that social network info can be spoofed. An employer that uses that
could be liable.
17:07:00  Lisa Thumann ->  @dougsymington And
50% of the school. That’s entire other conversation. We should have
talked about that more at Educon this weekend.
17:08:00  dougsymington ->  think there are
parallels and “clinging to power” that we see from institutions
17:08:05  dougsymington ->  it’s not going to
work
17:08:06  JenMad -> 
http://www.ncs-tech.org/?p=1099 … and … http://ajaxim.com/
17:09:14  JL -> 
http://www.pangeaday.org/  Pangea Day
17:09:33  lee ann baber ->  Wow
17:09:43  JohnS ->  Gifted Education 2.0:
http://giftededucation.ning.com/  Microsoft Innovative
Teachers Network: http://us.itn.partnersinlearning.com/
17:10:10  jepcke ->  do these links appear in
delicious, too?
17:10:12  JasonR ->  Oh joy. PBS/Frontline has
moved to Flash dsitribution for video. I don’t need WMP anymore.
17:10:28  JasonR ->  If not child is left
behind, no child gets ahead.
17:10:40  JenMad ->  http://www.sparknotes.com/
17:10:52  JohnS -> 
http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/20080127
17:11:00  JohnS ->  right, Jason
17:11:12  randynobx ->  i LOVE sparknote
17:11:27  randynobx ->  i use it all the time
for high school english projects research
17:11:32  kjarrett ->  Hi everyone!
17:11:43  sendkathy ->  sparknotes helped me
clep out of American Lit (2 semesters)
17:11:53  kjarrett ->  My daughter has been
using it for years in HS.
17:11:55  montagne ->  I was going to say…is
it anything different than what we did with encylopedias back in the
day??
17:11:57  JL -> 
http://mashable.com/2008/01/22/skype-worm/  Skype Worm Causes
Video-Sharing Shutdown
17:12:08  JohnS ->  thanks for tweeting, doug
17:12:20  dougsymington ->  pleasure
17:12:35  randynobx ->  i think that video
sharing component is the video sharing in the mood messages
17:12:38  dougsymington ->  someone refused to
skype with me this week due to fear o’ virus
17:12:40  sendkathy ->  I think Sparknotes is
great, in fact I learned a lot about some of the books I had actually
read
17:12:43  Kern ->  $15
17:13:06  sendkathy ->  jeff, I have skype pro
but it’s not very reliable or maybe its my network
17:13:25  sendkathy ->  I have a number and
supposedly I also have voicemail and its off and on
17:13:26  montagne ->  I was on that test…it
was good up to 10
17:13:27  Gary ->  Also has a talk message
feature
17:13:46  dougsymington ->  still good for me
on ustream
17:13:47  montagne ->  audio good here…
17:13:54  montagne ->  via ustream for me too
17:13:55  Kern ->  ustream’s fine
17:14:10  sendkathy ->  Doug I’m listening on
uStream but is it also on itunes?
17:14:11  montagne ->  new ustream UI is nice
17:14:13  kristianstill ->  another vote ok
for ustream
17:14:14  montagne ->  I agree
17:14:20  dougsymington ->  believe so
17:14:22  Kern ->  Who’s computer is showing
the ustream – Jeff’s ?
17:14:25  JohnS ->  College textbook prices up
186% since 1986; enter revolution:
http://businessshrink.biz/psychologyofbusiness/2008/01/22/college-textbook-prices-up-186-since-1986-enter-revolution/

17:14:28  JL ->  yep
17:14:32  Kern ->  thnx
17:14:40  montagne ->  I’m tired of textbook
companies…
17:14:42  JasonR ->  So you guys aren’t even
streaming on EdTechTalk-A now?
17:14:47  montagne ->  they’re ridiculous…
17:14:49  lee ann baber ->  So what did you
all suggest for skype pro//buy or no?
17:14:49  JL ->  nope
17:14:58  jepcke ->  Do they even USE the
textbooks?
17:15:00  lee ann baber ->  no not a
17:15:05  JL ->  if you’re going to use the
skpye out feature, yes
17:15:11  JL ->  if not, probably not worth it
17:15:11  dougsymington ->  I got it for the
call out and voicemail
17:15:12  lee ann baber ->  I do
17:15:16  lee ann baber ->  right
17:15:22  sendkathy ->  I’m hoping it gets
better.  I will keep it.  Lee it may just be comcast
that is causing my problems
17:15:37  montagne ->  that DRM story is
ridiculous…
17:15:45  JL -> 
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/allfeatures/skypepro/
17:15:51  sendkathy ->  I have a wifi phone
and a USB phone and neither have good quality, better with headphones
17:15:51  montagne ->  California Open Text
book project…
17:15:53  Gary ->  Buy pro and “share” it with
your children who are away at university – the text books prices
justify that
17:16:08  JenMad -> 
http://estore.e-academy.com/index.cfm?loc=estore/soft_browse/listing&ID_Product=598&name=SPSS%2016%20for%20Windows&parentID=3
17:16:22  montagne ->  I agree…down w/ books
that have dozens of errors anyway…if not more
17:16:41  montagne ->  open source textbook
movement hopefully will flourish…
17:16:57  techieteacher ->  you can loan SPSS
for cheaper..i saw that recently on del.icio.us..a few educators are
doing that
17:17:10  montagne ->  Wow…
17:17:14  techieteacher ->  $75 for 6 months i
believe for SPSS
17:17:35  jepcke ->  we used SPSS for ‘free’
on the university computers
17:17:38  sendkathy ->  If you can believe it
I actually had to buy a book that was a collection of edtech
articles.  They were already a year out of date
17:17:56  techieteacher ->  yep..most big
universities have it for education school labs
17:17:59  kristianstill ->  Why have book when
McDonalds now offers its own nationally recognised
qualifications.  (UK)
17:18:23  lee ann baber ->  because its a
racket
17:18:27  lee ann baber ->  why else
17:18:27  dougsymington ->  the education
wants to be free
17:18:30  lee ann baber ->  πŸ™‚
17:18:32  montagne ->  how many textbook
companies are left in the USA?
17:18:34  jepcke ->  online learning is a
better deal
17:18:35  lee ann baber ->  Because they can
17:18:37  montagne ->  not many
17:18:39  Kern ->  Because education is where
the $$ is πŸ˜‰
17:18:47  montagne ->  teachers get addicted
to textbooks…
17:18:51  lee ann baber ->  dad’s money! big
business
17:18:55  montagne ->  and won’t give them
up…
17:18:55  jepcke ->  love the name ‘currici
wiki’
17:19:02  Gary ->  High school text books are
just as expensive – a terrible cost when a new curriculum is started
17:19:11  JL -> 
http://teachweb2.wikispaces.com/
17:19:24  lee ann baber ->  where do you see
him screaming john
17:19:39  JasonR ->  $100 textbooks will be
replaced by $100 limited-time access fee to proprietary CMS
17:19:43  JohnS ->  The “Google generation”
not so hot at Googling, after all:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080118-the-google-generation-not-so-hot-at-googling-after-all.html

17:19:44  JasonR ->  Go Florida!
17:20:06  sendkathy ->  i c
17:20:12  montagne ->  not surprising…
17:20:19  kristianstill ->  Our students have
yet to learn how to learn / filter
17:20:25  montagne ->  I thought they were
digital natives??
17:20:30  Kern ->  making a myspace is not a
skill
17:20:37  montagne ->  @Kern…bingo
17:20:37  jepcke ->  saw that article,
probably were never taught how to be effective searchers
17:20:49  Kern ->  copy – paste, copy – paste
17:20:58  JasonR ->  Isn’t that the appeal of
myspace, it requires no skill
17:21:06  JenMad -> 
http://www.khanacademy.org/authenticate.jsp
17:21:16  jepcke ->  many teacher don’t know
how to search effectively either
17:21:34  JasonR ->  Google is not smart enough
17:21:38  montagne ->  is it free?
17:21:41  JL -> 
http://www.langwitches.org/blog/2008/01/24/power-of-social-networking/
17:22:24  JenMad ->  the math videos are free

17:22:29  Kern ->  neat idea
17:22:54  JohnS ->  White Paper Podcast:
http://www.apc.com/podcast/wp/index.cfm
17:22:56  chellouise ->  I made it
today!  WOW.  πŸ™‚
17:23:16  lee ann baber ->  yea… a mention..
πŸ™‚
17:23:16  JasonR ->  The technique won’t be a
surprise, but you can pic novel images that will still require the
networking skill
17:23:28  lee ann baber ->  its a really good
podcast!
17:23:46  lee ann baber ->  selectively
17:23:51  JenMad ->  http://www.cutepdf.com/
17:24:12  lee ann baber ->  i use it
17:24:13  lee ann baber ->  also
17:24:21  lee ann baber ->  its nice to use
17:24:28  dougsymington ->  big fan o’ cutepdf
17:24:34  Kern ->  I used to – I’ve found
www.primopdf.com better
17:24:42  chellouise ->  used it in my grad
classes.  Students liked it!
17:24:46  wcgaskins ->  big fan of cutepdf
17:25:00  JenMad ->  great! glad to hear it
works!
17:25:01  lee ann baber ->  nice to know …
thanks john
17:25:03  Gary ->  On a Mac – print and save
as a PDF – for free!
17:25:05  chellouise ->  get a mac, then you
don’t have to wrorry about it.  LOL!
17:25:09  dougsymington ->  woohoo something
that works “out of the box” with Vista!
17:25:21  chellouise ->  FETC was awesome!
17:25:23  JL ->  http://www.fetc.org/
17:25:30 [Action] JasonR ->  missed FETC
17:25:58  chellouise ->  I got into one that
was questionable….not too helpful really.
17:26:28  chellouise ->  Alan November drew
HUGE crowds….imagine that.
17:27:38  JL -> 
http://www.langwitches.org/blog/2007/11/09/teddy-bears-around-the-world-unite/
17:27:47  JenMad ->  ooo! 2 for langwitch.com
!!! yeah!!
17:27:56  chellouise ->  I’ll go with you!
17:28:42  JenMad ->  all of our links (plus
more) for this week are at http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/20080127
17:29:10  kjarrett ->  Bonnie Bracey RULES!
17:29:17  JenMad ->  to add a link for NEXT
week, add a tag for your link of “for:edtechtalk”
17:29:20  dougsymington ->  @sendkathy — Bill
(think it was) was great and the anecdotes re his students
17:30:08  JohnS ->  We’re on at this time
again next week because of the super bowl, and then back to our normal
time (2 hours later) the following week.
17:30:23  jepcke ->  Go Giants
17:30:28  chellouise ->  so it’ll be at 4 CST
again next week?
17:30:49  chellouise ->  great update KAthy!
17:30:58  lee ann baber ->  yea for educon
17:31:02  sendkathy ->  ok
17:31:07  sendkathy ->  I will stay muted
17:31:10  JohnS ->  Photo Clues Lead to
Camera’s Owner:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080125/ap_on_hi_te/missing_camera_quest
17:31:12  sendkathy ->  and check my links
17:31:52  sendkathy ->  hey like the one that
was stolen from me at NECC but they didn’t return mine
17:31:59  chellouise ->  neat story
17:32:08  JenMad ->  very cool story!
17:32:13  sendkathy -> 
www.googleearthgoods.pbwiki.com
17:32:36  dougsymington ->  now there’s a good
Web 2.0 story
17:32:54  sendkathy -> 
http://fcit.usf.edu  has lots of resources
17:33:00  chellouise ->  that would be a neat
thing to do with a class….kind of a mystery solve it
project!  Hmm…
17:33:18  JohnS ->  right — very cool
17:33:37  sendkathy ->  a cool project, not
too expensive and out of a university is: www.e-missions.net
17:33:41  lee ann baber ->  320,000,000
17:33:46  wcgaskins ->  Put that link back up
please
17:34:01  chellouise ->  WOW! 
320,000,000
17:34:02  lee ann baber ->  Whos hosting the
super bowl party
17:34:02  sendkathy ->  They take your kids on
a mission simulation and it is so much fun
17:34:11  dougsymington ->  Super
Sunday–wooohooooo
17:34:15  JL -> 
http://www.tweetscan.com/   Tweet Scan
17:34:34  jepcke ->  Pats cost me some money
last week so rooting for Giants
17:34:41  JenMad ->  3,269 links our
del.icio.us folder … w00t!!!
17:34:59  JenMad -> 
http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk
17:35:04  chellouise ->  @JenMad started
doctoral work?
17:35:22  lee ann baber ->  btw.. i copied and
saved the very exciting chat log from a sessoin this morning at the
educon..during the panel
17:35:22  JohnS ->  How to Tell If You Are
Addicted to Technology:
http://www.livescience.com/technology/080125-tech-addicts.html
17:35:24  JenMad ->  @chellouise: yes! started
last week! thanks!
17:35:27  lee ann baber ->  any suggesitons
where to put it
17:35:38  chellouise ->  best of
luck!  I’m still searching.
17:35:46  lee ann baber ->  doug and i put the
other ones on the wikis for those sessons but there was no wiki for
that session
17:35:54  sendkathy ->  Is there a cure Doug?
17:35:58  lee ann baber ->  I am
17:36:09  chellouise ->  I know I’m
addicted! 
17:36:13  dougsymington ->  golf
17:36:19  lee ann baber ->  i am neglecting
everything else.. πŸ™‚
17:36:24  sendkathy ->  I think it is
complusive but maybe it can be cured by time management!
17:36:29  JenMad ->  I am REALLY addiicted …
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!!
17:36:30  jepcke ->  yes, yes, yes
17:36:30  sendkathy ->  me too
17:36:38  lee ann baber ->  SAD but true
17:36:42  chellouise ->  LOL!  Am I
supposed to clean my house and take care of my family?  LOL!
17:36:45  jepcke ->  Hi, my name is Judi and
I’m a tech addict
17:36:49  lee ann baber ->  no i am not even
sad about it
17:36:57  chellouise ->  Is there a 12 step
plan?
17:37:06  sendkathy ->  That is why I have
been avoiding twitter but now… I have fallen in that hole too
17:37:20  lee ann baber ->  yes… step 1 buy
another laptop
17:37:21  JasonR ->  This just came up in my
feed reader: “Teacher’s Productivity Hampered by technology”
http://www.43folders.com/forum/2008/01/27/teachers-productivity-hampered-technology-no-love
17:37:32  JL ->  If anyone would like to chime
in on this, feel free to skype ‘worldbridges’
17:37:33  sendkathy ->  Maybe there should be
a technoaddict ning
17:37:33  chellouise ->  @sendkathy is this
your Twitter name too?
17:37:36  jepcke ->  falling through the
twitter hole
17:37:43  JL ->  Basic Twitter badges
http://twitter.com/badges/
17:37:45  sendkathy ->  yes, its sendkathy
17:37:48  Gary ->  What is needed is an
on-line service for your addiction
17:37:55  sendkathy ->  Thanks JL!
17:37:57  JasonR -> 
http://www.43folders.com/forum/2008/01/27/teachers-productivity-hampered-technology-no-love
17:38:00  chellouise ->  mind if I add you to
my network?
17:38:03  sendkathy ->  Feeding my addiction!
17:38:29  dougsymington ->  I’ve recently
fallen into the handheld (blackberry) trap–now I take it with me
17:38:50  lee ann baber ->  especially when
homework is over my head all the time… hard to resist gazing at data
17:38:51  dougsymington ->  was playing with
Skype for blackberry earlier today
17:39:07  dougsymington ->  so sign me up when
the interventions are happening, I guess πŸ˜‰
17:39:17  chellouise ->  son on Webkinz and me
at EdTech Weekly
17:39:31  lee ann baber ->  my husband lives
by himself… *)
17:39:45  sendkathy ->  Someone who would be
good to interview is Bill Moredock, former CEO of (I forget) he is a
tech teacher in MS and shows the kids how to build their own computers
out of all the leftover materials they have, plus NASA simulations he’s
very type A technology
17:39:47  JohnS ->  *laugh*
17:40:19  lee ann baber ->  it is fun to be
off line and more so since archiving has become more a rule than the
exception
17:40:59  lee ann baber ->  we are starting to
pick up teh skill to handle that so we do have a collective work crew
17:41:00  sendkathy ->  Silvia Tolisano’s Bear
trips   www.sjeds.com/blog/china
17:41:09  chellouise ->  living in the
midwest, I like the fact that I can talk with people who know more than
those around me
17:41:24  sendkathy -> 
www.sjeds.com/blog/global_studies
17:41:29  lee ann baber ->  nawww
17:41:32  dougsymington ->  as long as there
is some semblence of balance
17:41:51  JasonR ->  @sendkathy Har!
17:41:53  dougsymington ->  look at how much
people enjoy meeting f2f after becoming friends here
17:42:05  sendkathy ->  Har! Har! ?
17:42:17  JasonR ->  Like LOL but on the inside
17:42:20  lee ann baber ->  it seems friends
do not really like to meet so much anymore .. everyoine is finding time
to be less available..so it is natural to go to our networks
17:42:24  sendkathy ->  LOL
17:42:42  kristianstill ->  Did you guys get
the UK article about McD’s
17:42:43  kristianstill -> 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/education/7211958.stm
17:43:09  chellouise ->  kathy’s busy
laughing.  πŸ™‚
17:43:23  dougsymington ->  disagree
John–that’s exactly when you should use tech, when it makes sense for
the task at hand
17:43:34  dougsymington ->  showing tech, I’m
assuming
17:43:47  sendkathy ->  So it’s a good thing
as Martha would say
17:44:06  sendkathy ->  who is doing it?
17:44:19  sendkathy ->  the new show?
17:44:23  chellouise ->  is there a Webcast
Academy chat tonight?
17:44:56  JL -> 
http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/765
17:44:56  chellouise ->  I’m supposed to be an
intern…but I haven’t started at all.  oops
17:44:58  sendkathy ->  Great hearing your
voices and seeing your posts!
17:45:12  dougsymington ->  that’s too good
17:45:14  sendkathy ->  Chellouise
17:45:21  sendkathy ->  maybe we should do a
show?
17:45:21  chellouise ->  yes kathy?
17:45:32  wcgaskins ->  Thanks everyone bye
17:45:32  JasonR ->  UTC
17:45:37  sendkathy ->  I’m an unfinished
intern
17:45:37  chellouise ->  that would be fun!
17:45:48  sendkathy ->  sendkathy@gmail.com
17:45:50  dougsymington ->  go on SL
time–that way it can be light or dark
17:46:08  chellouise ->  thanks! 
I’ll get in touch.
17:46:19  sendkathy ->  great!
17:46:22  JasonR ->  They call it summer
17:46:26  montagne ->  sumer
17:46:32  montagne ->  that is what I thought
17:46:40  chellouise ->  because of the
closeness of the sun to them and not us
17:46:43  sendkathy ->  I think its getting
deep now
17:46:46  Gary ->  and make it digital so we
don’t really have the analog connection to the earth’s
rotation.  Please no!
17:46:53  sendkathy ->  deeeper
17:47:18  JasonR -> 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
17:47:22  Gary ->  Might be fine for those who
are addicted to technology
17:47:31  JL -> 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_map
17:47:38  sendkathy ->  This is funny
17:47:44  JasonR -> 
http://images.google.com/images?q=upside+down+map&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ibv&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title
17:47:50  sendkathy ->  Really I never thought
about flipping the globe!
17:47:57  sendkathy ->  I am so backward
17:48:06  JasonR -> 
http://www.public.asu.edu/~aarios/resourcebank/maps/page3.html
17:48:08  chellouise ->  i’m going to have to
flip the globe upside down at work tomorrow!
17:48:18  sendkathy ->  me too, see if the
kids notice
17:48:29  chellouise ->  It figures, I missed
that too! (webcast academy)
17:48:38  chellouise ->  chellylouise
17:48:40  JasonR ->  It is arbitrary and
somewhat imperial that the continents on the north side ar also on top
17:48:42  sendkathy ->  When is the next skype
intern chat
17:48:43  JenMad ->  btw: thank you to
everyone for joining us early this week!
17:48:51  sendkathy ->  I guess I should
consult the calendar eh?
17:48:52  chellouise ->  that’s my Skype
name:  chellylouise
17:48:54  JenMad ->  it was all my fault …
17:48:59  JasonR ->  All the colonized
continents are on the bottom…conicidence?
17:49:11  sendkathy ->  LOL
17:49:18  dougsymington ->  maybe the videos
are stuck in the tubes
17:49:23  dougsymington ->  on the way, that is
17:49:23  JohnS ->  like the united states,
jason?
17:49:40  JasonR ->  We are a colonizing
country
17:49:46  sendkathy ->  Are we supposed to be
depressed about now, thanks for reminding us Jen!
17:50:27  dougsymington ->  I’m up to 27 days
with my pics, props to dnorman for the concept
17:50:51  sendkathy ->  I met a Canadian at
FETC, Leslie Snyder in AB
17:50:59  chellouise ->  ‘bye Jen!
17:50:59  sendkathy ->  I told her about
EdTech Talk
17:51:24  sendkathy ->  Thank you!
17:51:29  dougsymington ->  cya later
17:51:32  sendkathy ->  By from down under
17:51:36  chellouise ->  anybody think the
security at Orlando was NUTS?
17:51:42  Gary ->  Thanks  again
17:51:44  sendkathy ->  was it?
17:51:45  chellouise ->  cya all later
17:51:52  sendkathy ->  bye
17:52:03  JL ->  Thanks all – bye
18:01:11  sgaer ->  Hi did I miss the chat?
18:02:08  sgaer ->  I guess I did.

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