October 30, 2011
Topics: Jen starts us off by examining issues brought out during Rory McGreal’s Change11 presentation about ‘OER for Learning’ and OERu Specifically, we contemplate the role of the teacher and/or learning institution when using Open Educational Resources and what about the ‘missing piece’ between open content and assessment? John relates this all to his current MOOC experience and his daughter’s experience being virtually schooled. Jeff harasses Dave a bit about the lack of interaction during Change11’s Friday reflection sessions and the boys stick around for a short post-show as Jen flees the scene. A good time was had by all.
JenM: PDF of the OERu model: http://hdl.handle.net/2149/3039
dafe: jeff is looking up again…
dafe: that’s a bad sign
davesalterego: the model needs work
davesalterego: it’s not a freakin’ badge
davesalterego: but the university isn’t about that – i.e. routing people to cntent
dafe: funny. i don’t usually argue with myself on the same day
davesalterego: I’m gettig to h point where all of this education reform talk feels increasingly useless. Where’s the innovation, the new ideas?
dafe: good point davesalterego
davesalterego: we’re still functioning in the language of the existing system. until we get past that, it’s tweaking what’s there
davesalterego: *** this chat
dafe: new words! new ideas! you start
davesalterego: haha. rhizomes
dafe: now now… that’s old talk
davesalterego: Dave, yes you do
davesalterego: th DownesConversation
davesalterego: how is that normatizing people?
dafe: when we decide what people are supposed to know, we are engaging in a normative process
davesalterego: curriculum has little to do with the learner and more to do with the needs of those who determine the content
dafe: we are saying ‘what is normal’
dafe: then we agree
dafe: nice that i agree with myself
dafe: hence my quixotic journey to trying to talk about learning where the student determines the content
Francesbell: Who is her?
Francesbell: Ah ha
Francesbell: Which MOOC?
Francesbell: Thanks Jen
Francesbell: Interesting – MOOC as legitimising PLN
Giulia: Are charter schools free of charge? or is there tuition?
Francesbell: MOOCs can be a jungle
Giulia: sounds like a racket. A charter school entirely based on content, facilitated by parents, with zero interaction allowed between students. [no offense]
dafe: yes, but a racket that legally allows you to keep your kids at home
John: Charter schools are free. They get their funding from the public schools.
dafe: i didn’t realize that
Giulia: ok, makes sense then.
Francesbell: But hopefully there are peple who know how not to fly airplanes – ie pilots
Francesbell: Otherwsie I am staying put
dafe: right. we llike to know if pilots have been trained.
dafe: easy for us to agree on.
Francesbell: pilots need ‘flying hours’ as well as training
Giulia: What’s your opinion on my situation: at Brock University we are mounting 10 new online courses. One of them is a first year Calculus. Impulse is to create a new set of resources ‘customized’ to BrockU
Giulia: but how different could calculus really be from one uni t another? Can OER help?
John: Wiley. If you customize them, they’re more meaningful for your students. But if you don’t, you can be more efficient by sharing resources.
John: But I would try to push them toward using the resources that are already available. Focus your local development on the stuff that you can’t find resources for.
dafe: @giulia kahnacademy
dafe: have you done their calculus?
dafe: it’s pretty good 🙂
dafe: but ‘knowing’ that calculus isn’t ‘understanding’ calculus
Giulia: yeah, i checked it out. instructor thinks they should be ‘the voice’
Giulia: she sure is!
Giulia: khan academy is cc licensed? checking that.
Francesbell: that’s really interesting – the relationship between teacher (sourcing and adapting/remixing OER) and student who can ‘use’ content but also see teacher’s remix
Giulia: super helpful, thx
dlynds: crazy insane really
Francesbell: @dave (aside) NancyWhote needs url for her contribution to #change11 http://www.fullcirc.com/2011/10/30/change11-my-mooc-week-is-here/
Giulia: yaay! Nancy!
Giulia: yaay Dave!
Giulia: yaay Tim!
Giulia: that’s why I asked Nancy to chat with me.
Giulia: (and she’s so awesome she said yes)
Giulia: I’m doing one
Giulia: come join me tomorrow at 4pm
dlynds: go for a second hour!
Giulia: google plus
Giulia: and #ds106radio
Giulia: whu? this is my first ed tech
dlynds: thanks all
dlynds: she ditched
JenM: Thanks, all! Are they still talking about me? 🙂
Giulia: plus I’m working on my #econoMooc assignment with @dkernohan
John: uhh, no. of course not, Jen.
JenM: blah, blah, blah ….
Giulia: Thanks everyone
JenM: ttfn … going to snuggle hubby by the glow of our pumkin 🙂
JenM: thanks, all!
John: the pumpkin is the background on your computer, isn’t it?
Giulia: tee e
Giulia: dave makes a good point
Francesbell: I think people like to be ‘other’ in the chat channel in the MOOC
Giulia: if you want it to talk more about something, just do it
Giulia: autonomous learning, yo
Francesbell: Live slides are great – good for you Dave
Giulia: I think it’s outrageous to expect Dave George and Stephen to do things all week every week
dlynds: where;s the coolcast link?
Giulia: Jeff, what’s your twitter handle?
Giulia: why am I not followin you?
Francesbell: big boys?? says it all
dlynds: wont be me either i bet
Giulia: indeed, Frances, indeed.
dlynds: i think she meant big heads
dlynds: not gerth
Francesbell: Why not?
dlynds: ha ha
dlynds: thats good stuff
dlynds: im liking post show more than the show itself
Giulia: if you’re going to use a blog post. I hope yo have a rubric!
dlynds: oh oh
Giulia: although it is
Francesbell: Yes – why would you say big boys?
Giulia: Dave, will you come to my G+ hangout?
Giulia: how’s that?
dlynds: Jeff – use big human beings instead
Giulia: Jeff is correct. It’s all boys.
Giulia: yes, LIKE I DID!
Giulia: /me pats back
dafe: no can do giulia. meeting all through the middle
Giulia: she said monday or friday
Giulia: for me
Giulia: i just want an informal chat
dafe: yup. me too… but didn’t hear back for friday
dafe: wow. he kicked me out
Giulia: i thought i’d help her frame her presentation. not knowing it was going to be BEFORE my informal chat
dlynds: these are the daves i know
Giulia: these are the daves, I know, I know.
Giulia: two daves!
dafe: bye folks!
Giulia: i hear heavy sighs