Conversations – Show #2 – 2008.07.27

Maria and Lisa are joined by Kevin and Michelle Honeycutt, Debbie Boisvert and Sheila Adams for a conversation about good teaching and technology.


2008-07-27 11:14:47 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: Hello everyone.  While we are waiting, can I ask what web 2.0 applications you find useful?
2008-07-27 11:16:16 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello folks…thanks for coming.
2008-07-27 11:16:20 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: I love Ustream
2008-07-27 11:16:34 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: I love Youtube and Teachertube too
2008-07-27 11:16:50 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Good morning!
2008-07-27 11:18:58 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: My new favorite app is Lookybook
2008-07-27 11:21:00 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: what does Lookybook do?
2008-07-27 11:21:39 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Can someone check the stream?
2008-07-27 11:21:53 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Please do
2008-07-27 11:21:55 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: It has picture books that you can read page by page.  The entire book is there instead of just an excerpt.
2008-07-27 11:23:20 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: What levels of books and does it read it to the viewer?
2008-07-27 11:23:47 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: lookybook great for severe/profound
2008-07-27 11:23:51 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: @ Lisa Parisi I have no picture
2008-07-27 11:25:27 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: will there be any video feed?
2008-07-27 11:25:44 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: @amymcordova  Well they are all picture books, but all levels of pic books are there.
2008-07-27 11:28:00 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: @ Michele H are these real books that kids can look at in the library?
2008-07-27 11:28:15 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: I have not used lookybook with sound.
2008-07-27 11:28:56 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, they are are all books you can buy on Amazon, by popular authors.
2008-07-27 11:29:30 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: @Michele H Are the books embeddable?
2008-07-27 11:29:54 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: That I have not tried.
2008-07-27 11:30:01 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-07-27 11:30:12 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: with sound and video
2008-07-27 11:30:45 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lucy..thanks for coming
2008-07-27 11:30:55 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Lucy
2008-07-27 11:31:05 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa and kevin and everyone else
2008-07-27 11:31:06 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: @MariaK thank you
2008-07-27 11:31:19 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lucy
2008-07-27 11:32:35 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: welcome everyone
2008-07-27 11:33:04 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: ?
2008-07-27 11:33:48 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Plurk conversation started by JackieB
2008-07-27 11:34:13 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Plurk conversation started by me.
2008-07-27 11:34:31 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: good morning again 😉
2008-07-27 11:34:35 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: how is the stream everyone
2008-07-27 11:34:40 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: fine
2008-07-27 11:34:43 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: Sounds great
2008-07-27 11:34:53 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
2008-07-27 11:35:12 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Kevin 😉
2008-07-27 11:35:30 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Clykowski
2008-07-27 11:35:40 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Great to hear voices of ppl I only have Plurked with!
2008-07-27 11:36:20 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Welcome all.
2008-07-27 11:36:36 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: Good morning from Nebraska
2008-07-27 11:37:09 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Good Morning from vacation in WI
2008-07-27 11:37:13 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Ginger
2008-07-27 11:37:24 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: WHI SI SPEAKING PLAES?
2008-07-27 11:37:33 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Whoops!
2008-07-27 11:37:34 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: morning! Sorry I’m late. Hubby’s bday is taking precedence! 😉
2008-07-27 11:37:46 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Michelle
2008-07-27 11:37:47 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Ginger
2008-07-27 11:37:48 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Who is speaking please?
2008-07-27 11:37:50 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Say happy B-day to hubby!
2008-07-27 11:38:46 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: hello Honeycutts! Hope the vacation has been restful. K, know you’re gonna have demands on your time when you get back, but need to visit!
2008-07-27 11:38:48 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you! 🙂
2008-07-27 11:38:50 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: hey Lisa!
2008-07-27 11:39:08 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: 😉 That’s me the trouble maker
2008-07-27 11:39:13 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi everyone-hope I can stay with you for the show–grandkids want to go to the lake 🙂
2008-07-27 11:39:39 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: love this topic. Good for deep discussion in many directions
2008-07-27 11:39:40 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe web 2.0 doesn’t need to be a part of every class
2008-07-27 11:39:51 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: class or topic?
2008-07-27 11:39:51 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: but web 2.0 DOES need to be a part of every teacher’s professional development
2008-07-27 11:39:57 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy Ever?
2008-07-27 11:40:12 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: at the very least, teachers have to be learning how to create their own PD opportunities
2008-07-27 11:40:15 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: How are you defining technology?
2008-07-27 11:40:16 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: wanna be sure I’m on the same page with the topic
2008-07-27 11:40:16 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: No, not ever
2008-07-27 11:40:34 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Just web 2.0 tools?
2008-07-27 11:40:35 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Again, like it was said at BLC repeatedly, it’s not about the tool
2008-07-27 11:41:05 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe it doesn’t need to be a part of every part of the classroom but @Lucy I agree it does need to be a part of a teacher’s PD
2008-07-27 11:41:22 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I’d rather see Web 2.0 stuff incorporated sporadically but in a meangingful way… not just use it because it’s "cool"
2008-07-27 11:41:32 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: tools may enhance teaching but need a good teacher to work with tools
2008-07-27 11:41:35 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: We’ve got to get away from the "cool" factor. It’s not compelling enough educationally
2008-07-27 11:41:38 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Agree with @Lucy
2008-07-27 11:41:42 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy Absolutely. Must be meaningful use.
2008-07-27 11:41:45 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: I try to put tech into my classroom seemlessly enough that it’s just a nother tool that I use to teach/learn
2008-07-27 11:41:52 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: also agree with @Lucy!
2008-07-27 11:42:01 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Kids do, in my experience, go "blaise" after a bit if it’s about the tool.
2008-07-27 11:42:01 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I think that if the teachers don’t know what they are missing- that’s a problem. If it’s a choice, that’s a different discussion
2008-07-27 11:42:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I agree, Cheryl….. the seamless factor is important. For many teachers, seamless is beyond them at this point
2008-07-27 11:42:29 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: I agree with Maureen. Given the chance the students know what theya re missing
2008-07-27 11:42:31 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen Yes, you are right . Totally
2008-07-27 11:42:40 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: seemless like a pencil, paper not because it’s cool to do
2008-07-27 11:42:46 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I think it’s wrong when a teacher doesn’t use Web 2.0 because they are dissmissive of tech.
2008-07-27 11:43:03 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I think if they choose not to use something for pedagogial reasons, I have more respect for that
2008-07-27 11:43:11 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: there are so many teachers that don’t even know what web2.0 IS
2008-07-27 11:43:13 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: But how do we help teachers realize what opportunities are out there for students?
2008-07-27 11:43:15 [Message] mrichme -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers who are not incorporating technology in some form denies a portion of their students’ intelligence.
2008-07-27 11:43:22 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy so many of my colleagues are in that category
2008-07-27 11:43:26 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: what would a classroom teacher consider to be web 2.0? Is the definition obscure to some?
2008-07-27 11:43:28 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy  What would be acceptable pedagogical reasoning for not use tech?
2008-07-27 11:43:40 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryl We have a long way to go. I know. I see it all the time.
2008-07-27 11:43:41 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy- I agree. all of the tech, any tool you use in the classroom should be evaluated for best practice.
2008-07-27 11:43:47 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Kevin’s right on with "at some point"
2008-07-27 11:43:59 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: there’s never a need for an online resource?
2008-07-27 11:44:11 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Hmmm… a simplistic example would when you are trying to teach research
2008-07-27 11:44:21 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: You wouldn’t just let kids loose with Google
2008-07-27 11:44:24 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: Who’s talking?
2008-07-27 11:44:26 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: We all know that, right?
2008-07-27 11:44:35 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @suriawang:  it’s Kevin Honeycutt
2008-07-27 11:44:38 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: "detached educational retina" love it!
2008-07-27 11:44:41 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: So, you might want to scaffold the research process using traditional stuff
2008-07-27 11:44:49 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: Oh!  Thought I recognized his voice….
2008-07-27 11:44:53 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: and moving it into Web 2.0 when kids are ready and get the analog way
2008-07-27 11:45:04 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy, agreed again, but would not leave online research out.
2008-07-27 11:45:10 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Of course not
2008-07-27 11:45:19 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Okay, I need to think of a better example.
2008-07-27 11:45:21 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: 🙂
2008-07-27 11:45:28 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: (gonna help you)
2008-07-27 11:45:37 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: LOL! Good.
2008-07-27 11:45:40 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I also think that we need to look to UDL and tech has, or can play a role in that
2008-07-27 11:45:57 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: How many teachers really understand UDL?
2008-07-27 11:46:00 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: thinking about tech in FACS classes.
2008-07-27 11:46:07 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I think very few
2008-07-27 11:46:17 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: So if you are not using tech, you are not using the best practice to reach all of your kids
2008-07-27 11:46:17 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: That’s another big gaping hole in bridge our world with the world of our colleagues who are unindoctrinated
2008-07-27 11:46:43 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @MAureen Exactly!
2008-07-27 11:46:46 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I guess I’m an advocate for selective practices
2008-07-27 11:46:47 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: hi
2008-07-27 11:47:01 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy when I see colleagues doing the same thing they did 10 yrs ago it makes it very difficult for them to understand UDL they need to be open to looking at things through different glasses
2008-07-27 11:47:10 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @LucyGray  That’s next week’s topic. 🙂
2008-07-27 11:47:12 [Message] sheila a -> -EdTechTalk: Hi vcautin!
2008-07-27 11:47:31 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen Are you sure you’re not Karen Jan? 🙂
2008-07-27 11:47:32 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: Is this the place for the Connectivism and connective knowledge course
2008-07-27 11:47:37 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: ?
2008-07-27 11:47:58 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: vcautin This is conversations
2008-07-27 11:48:04 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: oh
2008-07-27 11:48:05 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: accessiblity to info, considering learning styles, and freedom to do so is a big need to be able to be a "good" teacher.
2008-07-27 11:48:07 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I know the pushback I will get from my colleagues are questions like: How does this support ambitious teaching and learning? Why does this making learning traditional subjects better?
2008-07-27 11:48:09 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I think it’s hard for veteran teachers (and I am one), who were the good little book learners to see what the different learning styles requires
2008-07-27 11:48:44 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen How did you do it?
2008-07-27 11:48:46 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I still have not come up with a good elevator pitch. I know in my heart that using these technologies is the way of the future, but I don’t feel like I’m compellingly articulate on this
2008-07-27 11:48:48 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: but do some teachers use a great 2.0 tool in very traditional, stifling ways?
2008-07-27 11:49:05 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, Ginger!
2008-07-27 11:49:10 [Message] mrichme -> -EdTechTalk: In some ways teachers need to be learners again!
2008-07-27 11:49:15 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: so how’s that ANY better. likely worse!
2008-07-27 11:49:24 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I feel the same way.
2008-07-27 11:49:36 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: life long learners >isn’t that we want our students to be as well
2008-07-27 11:49:42 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: It’s when you say… I want to do a podcast or a blog or a whatever without the thought that goes into making an assignment meaningful.
2008-07-27 11:49:43 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk- was interested in making web site for my K class…show off what we were doing- then got dragged kicking and screaming into tech. Now it’s part of the way I teach
2008-07-27 11:49:50 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: YIKE bungee cord a kid to his seat!?
2008-07-27 11:49:54 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: teachers ALWAYS need to be learners!
2008-07-27 11:49:55 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Clykowski Right!
2008-07-27 11:50:01 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Cheryl yes! But how do we help teachers see the value of life long learning?
2008-07-27 11:50:23 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Do you guys remember at NECC and Edubloggercon when someone said, "When did teachers stop being learners?"
2008-07-27 11:50:23 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Alice I was hoping you’d tell me 😉
2008-07-27 11:50:25 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: They tend to be stuck in the expert, I know it all moce
2008-07-27 11:50:52 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Cheryl 🙁
2008-07-27 11:50:58 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: I was listening to a podcast yesterday where they where talking about a project where they wanted students to be practicioners
2008-07-27 11:51:02 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: rather than pretenders
2008-07-27 11:51:15 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: It’s still the prevailing definition of teacher — The Expert…
2008-07-27 11:51:21 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: meaning that they wanted students to be actual mathematicians, historians, etc
2008-07-27 11:51:39 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: and I was wondering how to accomplish that
2008-07-27 11:51:43 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: I student taught with a teacher–WONDERFUL teacher–who had big trouble reaching the tough kids. I have trouble reaching the "good" kids. Nice to have w2.0 tools to reach multiple "teachers/mentors"
2008-07-27 11:51:50 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @ lucy I think we have a ways to go yet. I still use tech in very traditional ways. ie using VT, but it may as well be ppt. We need to continue to explore how to really step up and use these tools to be more creative.
2008-07-27 11:52:04 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: not all schools have interactive whiteboards, laptops and such
2008-07-27 11:52:25 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: I still have a problem with IBW’s as "front of the room" centered.
2008-07-27 11:52:28 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Ugh How did I leave the chat?
2008-07-27 11:52:28 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: welcome back @Lucy
2008-07-27 11:52:30 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: I like the way he thinks…..
2008-07-27 11:52:43 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: I think that the value is in students creating and using the tools, no?
2008-07-27 11:52:51 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think teachers need to personally experience what it’s like to be a learner in a completely unfamiliar environment–such as a deaf community (only sign language) or where no English is spoken to help them recognize how many different learning styles there are to make sure every child is learning!
2008-07-27 11:53:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I guess when I open a new tab I get kicked out
2008-07-27 11:53:19 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: yes
2008-07-27 11:53:21 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: people come and go so quickly around here
2008-07-27 11:53:22 [Message] mrichme -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy yes
2008-07-27 11:53:22 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: same just happened to me
2008-07-27 11:53:22 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I agree with the last statement
2008-07-27 11:53:32 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I work with urban kids
2008-07-27 11:53:33 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: The tools should be as natural as eyesight or hearing..for too long we’ve taught the tool not with the tool.
2008-07-27 11:53:34 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: maybe enroll in a Spanish clas he he he
2008-07-27 11:53:44 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: in an organization that is bent on making it work for kids academically
2008-07-27 11:53:46 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: Read the Diamond Age to see learning in the future…
2008-07-27 11:53:56 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @peggyg took a class at CMU- was 1 of 2 people in the room with no programming experience- fish out of water, scared… but I did it
2008-07-27 11:53:58 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: It’s by Neil Stevenson
2008-07-27 11:54:36 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: US, since we’re no longer a manufacturing power, needs to hold TIGHTLY to our innovation edge, and that requires BOTH digital and off-line experiences, used in conjunction.
2008-07-27 11:54:37 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry, Neal Stephenson!
2008-07-27 11:54:42 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: and I often say to my colleagues that we have to address the digital literacies at the same time as we address reading and math literacies or else are kids are going to be doubly behind
2008-07-27 11:54:45 [Message] sheila a -> -EdTechTalk: Hi hartt
2008-07-27 11:54:55 [Message] hartt -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Sheila.
2008-07-27 11:55:14 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen-exactly!! I felt that way when I was on a deaf campus–didn’t know who could talk because everyone signed-scary, but I learned!
2008-07-27 11:55:17 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: oh that’s very important
2008-07-27 11:55:20 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa I’m going to CMK next week to put myself in that enviroment(maybe) I wasn’t comfortable at the 1 day at NECC…I needed more direction. So- out of my echo chamber, out of my comfort level- it’ll be good for me to learn how to deal.
2008-07-27 11:55:21 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: cannot hear the speaker well
2008-07-27 11:55:56 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @maria We must have been in the same class… I never fit…
2008-07-27 11:56:00 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: I was a "good student" but was really cheated out of an education since no one pushed me and let me slide by on excuses.
2008-07-27 11:56:01 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: Oh how can I hear the speaker? I thought this was a chat room
2008-07-27 11:56:04 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen And I didn’t do as much learning at NECC as I wanted because of that
2008-07-27 11:56:29 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: Have some of them sit on exercise balls!!!
2008-07-27 11:56:39 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: click on the speaker icon to the right
2008-07-27 11:56:40 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Have you seen the video "F.A.T. City Workshop"?? That really helps to make the point about issues facing LD students in schools.
2008-07-27 11:56:45 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @vcautin On the right side of the chat room is a link to audio
2008-07-27 11:56:50 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa It’s hard to change the way we were taught/learn
2008-07-27 11:56:51 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you alice
2008-07-27 11:56:54 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: oh
2008-07-27 11:56:54 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Amen Kevin!
2008-07-27 11:57:01 [Message] sheila a -> -EdTechTalk: @vcautin – cliick on one of the media players on the right.
2008-07-27 11:57:01 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: I’m listening now
2008-07-27 11:57:04 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
2008-07-27 11:57:06 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I just got my own kid’s report from the neuropsychologist… she has an LD
2008-07-27 11:57:09 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Can Maria speak louder,please?
2008-07-27 11:57:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: and the report was frankly… kind of depressing
2008-07-27 11:57:19 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: yes it’s difficult to hear
2008-07-27 11:57:30 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Web2.0 (and this conversation) is exposing some real problems with how to engage kids appropriately.
2008-07-27 11:57:36 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: will do Maureen
2008-07-27 11:57:44 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: just curious what is her LD, Lucy
2008-07-27 11:58:04 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I’m not sure where to go to help her… and can you imagine how other parents feel if I feel at a loss/!?!
2008-07-27 11:58:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: It’s an non-specific executive functioning LD
2008-07-27 11:58:16 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @bcdtech – I’ll see you at CMK tomorrow
2008-07-27 11:58:23 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: Teaching is seen too much as a technical job, following prescribed, scientifically sanctioned practices, and checking things off…
2008-07-27 11:58:24 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: web 2.0 is no different than any other teaching/instructional strategy-one tool/strategy doesn’t work for all, no matter how great it is!
2008-07-27 11:58:26 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: complex visual sequencing is not her strength
2008-07-27 11:58:31 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: I was diagnosed with ADD at 42. It made reflection of horrible classroom experiences make sense.
2008-07-27 11:58:35 [Message] suriawang -> -EdTechTalk: We need fewer teacher technicians and more teacher philosophers…
2008-07-27 11:58:45 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: She’s average in about everything else, according to her scores, but I think she’s pretty smart!
2008-07-27 11:58:47 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @peggy g- Agree!
2008-07-27 11:59:10 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @LUcy Average by whos standards?
2008-07-27 11:59:15 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: not sure "eliminated" but sure has done a lot to help.
2008-07-27 11:59:29 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: fo rthe active kids
2008-07-27 11:59:31 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @suriwang I agree. Teaching should be about providing experiences.
2008-07-27 11:59:52 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr by the stupid tests’ standards 🙂
2008-07-27 11:59:59 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: I think that PBL classrooms in traditional schools have less struggle with engagement than PBL schools. Kids get frequent reminders of what they have in the PBL!
2008-07-27 12:00:05 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Godd morning all!
2008-07-27 12:00:08 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy ExactlY!!
2008-07-27 12:00:20 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: HEllo Angela..welcome
2008-07-27 12:00:25 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Lucy- did you find contract examples?
2008-07-27 12:00:49 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa- made me laugh. I send my wiggly kids out to run around for a while. I used to just do it with 1-3…but sent a class of 7th graders out this spring. They were ready to work when they came back.
2008-07-27 12:01:00 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-07-27 12:01:15 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Maureen…we do that often.  It’s needed.
2008-07-27 12:01:25 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: They just don’t know the power of the ‘top
2008-07-27 12:01:36 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: get a class set of ipod touches ..not as bulky
2008-07-27 12:01:49 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: is everyone hearing James Taylor?
2008-07-27 12:02:08 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @wsigele???
2008-07-27 12:02:10 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: No I don
2008-07-27 12:02:16 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: don’t hear James
2008-07-27 12:02:22 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: no JT here
2008-07-27 12:02:29 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: No, W. but he might be good to hear.
2008-07-27 12:02:40 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: WOW! I just lost the conversation and am now hearing music – wierd!
2008-07-27 12:02:58 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Is it good music?
2008-07-27 12:03:07 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: AHA – iTunes did it’s own thing
2008-07-27 12:03:11 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @angelamaiers Mike said he’d send me examples! Thank you!
2008-07-27 12:03:30 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: so if there is no tech integrator, what does one do?
2008-07-27 12:03:38 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Michele – it was Country Road – kinda appropriate!
2008-07-27 12:03:43 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: I am self taught and try to help others
2008-07-27 12:03:44 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: what is a tech integrator?
2008-07-27 12:03:50 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: no sound yet?
2008-07-27 12:04:01 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: a person who help other teachers?
2008-07-27 12:04:02 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: @ifeld52  I am helped more by Plurk, Twitter and Ning than any training or workshop
2008-07-27 12:04:02 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: How do you deal with older kids where the curriculum is prescribed- ie AP- gotta get to all of that stuff- it’s on the test. Maybe same issued with state testing for younger kids- how to you make it all work and pass the test?
2008-07-27 12:04:16 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: I was an ed tech integrator
2008-07-27 12:04:22 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: true @michele h
2008-07-27 12:04:27 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @ANgela Click on the link to the right of the chat.
2008-07-27 12:04:32 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: no twitter!
2008-07-27 12:04:32 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: @vcautin a tech facilitator who teaches teachers and students together
2008-07-27 12:04:37 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: I do my own PD
2008-07-27 12:04:46 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: yep, plurk here, but need to adjust following list.
2008-07-27 12:04:51 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Michele I get so much PD from my network
2008-07-27 12:04:55 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: ok
2008-07-27 12:05:02 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
2008-07-27 12:05:03 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: I have learned more with Twitter & Plurk this summer than all seminars
2008-07-27 12:05:15 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Steve Hargadon just joined us on Plurk! 😀
2008-07-27 12:05:21 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: ditto ..pd from edtech talk..twitter diigo and delicious
2008-07-27 12:05:22 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @lfeld52 Same here.
2008-07-27 12:05:25 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Power of the network!
2008-07-27 12:05:28 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: oh I would love to have a co-tacher
2008-07-27 12:05:33 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: I have learned TONS from Twitter and Plurk in the past 8 months!
2008-07-27 12:05:42 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: started a wiki to keep track of the amazing info
2008-07-27 12:05:59 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: tappedin network and PD has taught me the most
2008-07-27 12:06:02 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Not sure where I would have learned what I have learned without these resources!
2008-07-27 12:06:09 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: mmmm
2008-07-27 12:06:10 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @alice my learning has gone to a much higher level since the network has become part of my daily tasks
2008-07-27 12:06:10 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: @wsigele – Amen to that! I can’t imagine life without it!
2008-07-27 12:06:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: People freak out at all this info
2008-07-27 12:06:20 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: grrr. Sorry.
2008-07-27 12:06:22 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: People still have a need to control all this info
2008-07-27 12:06:23 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa- I hear the same and I don’t do nearly as much as you do.
2008-07-27 12:06:34 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Sound now!!! thanks!
2008-07-27 12:06:40 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Someone just asked me how I can follow 1000 people
2008-07-27 12:06:43 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I don’t try to…
2008-07-27 12:06:48 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I just jump in when I can.
2008-07-27 12:06:52 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: must choose wisely how much info you give teachers. temper your excitement of amzaing resources
2008-07-27 12:06:58 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Same thing with my RSS feeds in my reader.
2008-07-27 12:07:00 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: students intimidated? My students are intimidated the first day when they hear me speak English they think they won’t learn, but they can…
2008-07-27 12:07:04 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: I think I am one of the only ppl in my entire district that utilizes these tools
2008-07-27 12:07:05 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy, sampling from a revolving sushi bar
2008-07-27 12:07:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Why do people have this compelling need to clear their RSS feeds in their reader?
2008-07-27 12:07:15 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: So how do we convince teachers about the power of what @wsigele has learned?
2008-07-27 12:07:30 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @GingerTPLC Well put! Exactly!
2008-07-27 12:07:34 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @alice one teacher/learner at a time
2008-07-27 12:07:44 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy Love the sushi bar!
2008-07-27 12:07:48 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr….baby steps or you will lose potential followers
2008-07-27 12:07:51 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Alice- one by one…very slowly
2008-07-27 12:07:58 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: mmmm sushi great now I’m hungry
2008-07-27 12:08:09 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @CLykowski That seems very slow to me! Why are our expectations of teachers so low? Seriously?
2008-07-27 12:08:17 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I tried tech buddies- didn’t work for me
2008-07-27 12:08:22 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Alice and not try to feel we have to reach everyone.
2008-07-27 12:08:24 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I’m with you.
2008-07-27 12:08:26 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: sushy?, try ceviche instead! 🙂
2008-07-27 12:08:31 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Do we really have time in this day and age to baby our colleagues?
2008-07-27 12:08:43 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: If I can do this, my way smarter colleagues can do it.
2008-07-27 12:08:51 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @vcautin :p
2008-07-27 12:08:59 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy believe me I would love to corral all of them at one time because of my excitement but I get met with the "deer in the headlight" look all the time
2008-07-27 12:09:02 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr – this past two weeks with teachers I have tried to enter tthe conversations with teachers with offline examples of R,W,speaking,listening, sharing, etc… and then pair it with an online tool. When they saw this link-it was amazing the shift in energy and confidence with technology
2008-07-27 12:09:02 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @gingerTPLC I am in a one to one environment and still have a hard time convincing some!
2008-07-27 12:09:05 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: @lucygray I might lose people if I move too fast
2008-07-27 12:09:16 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lucy- time…time is all I hear about- when it’s not why do this
2008-07-27 12:09:34 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @alice It’s also got to be tougher, since you’re expected to reach everyone. But it’s impossible, I think.
2008-07-27 12:09:43 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @angelamaiers-that reminds me of the approach that CommonCraft uses in their Plain English videos 🙂
2008-07-27 12:09:43 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry if I sound strident… I just feel passionately about this.. how we all are struggling constantly with the best approach to helping teachers and no one has found the magic formula yet
2008-07-27 12:09:46 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: the sound is intermitent, is it nly mine?
2008-07-27 12:09:46 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: yes, my teachers all complain about time
2008-07-27 12:09:51 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @angela nice idea
2008-07-27 12:09:56 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: (loving how the original topic has brought us to deeper questions of all types)
2008-07-27 12:10:04 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Starting with a literacy conversations and then showing how tech tools enhance and explode literacy and communication capabilities made a huge difference!
2008-07-27 12:10:10 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: I am a classroom teacher that tries to share my knowledge of tech I hear a lot of "No time, No support"
2008-07-27 12:10:16 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I choose 1 teacher from each dept to work with this past year- worked better
2008-07-27 12:10:29 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: If 10 people in this room made it their mission to convince 10 other people and so on, we’d convince 10,000 people in only 3 rounds.
2008-07-27 12:10:43 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen Like setting 3 goals for a day. It’s more likely to work and you grow on the positivity!
2008-07-27 12:10:45 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @angelamaiers Oohh do you have any online materials to support that?
2008-07-27 12:10:45 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen that is my plan for this year!
2008-07-27 12:10:47 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: teachers in our school say they are sick of all the lights bells and whistles they are shown and don’t have time to use it all
2008-07-27 12:10:50 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: @bcdtech/Maureen Planting seeds : )
2008-07-27 12:10:51 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @ColleenK I love that 🙂
2008-07-27 12:11:14 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I think the time thing is important. How can schools listen to this complaint and really do something differently?
2008-07-27 12:11:18 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr Math people are good to have around 🙂
2008-07-27 12:11:20 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: I am going to post that very slideshow and the tools we used today or tommorrow on the blog
2008-07-27 12:11:26 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Awesome.
2008-07-27 12:11:27 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: when our principal became more "tech interested" more staff followed
2008-07-27 12:11:34 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @lfield52 Which goes back to life long learning!
2008-07-27 12:11:42 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: My teachers complain that they have too many meetings therefore not enought time
2008-07-27 12:11:52 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: That’s key, lfeld52, leadership is so importnt
2008-07-27 12:12:01 [Message] vcautin -> -EdTechTalk: Good bye! nice to have stumbled across this conversation
2008-07-27 12:12:10 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Cya!
2008-07-27 12:12:19 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Also important is allowing ground-breakers some slack in the noose. Charter schools, innovative teachers, etc
2008-07-27 12:12:22 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: we have new principal this year – not tech savvy but understands the need for teachers to use tech in classrooms
2008-07-27 12:12:28 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @LisaParisi Exactly this is amazing and so meaningful. Why don’t others see that?
2008-07-27 12:12:31 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lucy If the head of school is not behind this- doesn’t work. Proved itself at my school anyway
2008-07-27 12:12:33 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Lifelong learning is absolutely the key!
2008-07-27 12:12:35 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @wsigele that’s all it takes!
2008-07-27 12:12:40 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I didn’t make the point… it was said at NEDCC!
2008-07-27 12:12:44 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Not sure who said it, though.
2008-07-27 12:12:54 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: 2008 NETS for teachers
2008-07-27 12:13:02 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-07-27 12:13:07 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @wsiegel that’s important… a leaders who at least understands
2008-07-27 12:13:25 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa that’s a B.O.R.I.N.G. teacher and classroom!
2008-07-27 12:13:30 [Message] janelowe -> -EdTechTalk: interesting discussion – thanks for letting me in. after midnight here and OI have to work in the morning!
2008-07-27 12:13:31 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: I am REALLY looking forward to THIS school year
2008-07-27 12:13:45 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: So why is that teacher still teaching if the principal disagreed!??!
2008-07-27 12:13:51 [Message] janelowe -> -EdTechTalk: bye
2008-07-27 12:13:56 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Bye
2008-07-27 12:13:58 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: So do we have a menu of avilable training sessions?
2008-07-27 12:13:59 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: bye Jane!
2008-07-27 12:14:04 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @ginger She’s long since retired.
2008-07-27 12:14:09 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Okay, here’s a question… related to the quality of the teaching force
2008-07-27 12:14:30 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa, right, but even then?  Would elimination of tenure force teachers to learn?
2008-07-27 12:14:36 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: If you took people who were all high achieving in the workforce as lawyers, investment bankers, doctors… and put them into classrooms
2008-07-27 12:14:42 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Would they feel as initimidated?
2008-07-27 12:14:49 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Would they balk at learning stuff?
2008-07-27 12:14:59 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Would they keep up?
2008-07-27 12:15:01 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, Ginger, but I think elimination of tenure would also make it possible for me to be let go..I make much more money than a brand new teacher
2008-07-27 12:15:15 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy, with the high stakes, they’d be intimidated, but I think they’d learn. It’s what they do or they fail in their careers.
2008-07-27 12:15:21 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @LUcy That is a great question
2008-07-27 12:15:23 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Is this something about the people who are going into teaching? I’m just throwing this out there?
2008-07-27 12:15:26 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: It’s the "add on" piece that is a problem. It’s not adding on- it is a change..even if incremental
2008-07-27 12:15:36 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy, even those ‘high learners’ have to go through new training yearly. Laws change, rules change, etc
2008-07-27 12:15:41 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: There’s a lot of talk about stats related to the teachign force
2008-07-27 12:15:51 [Message] Pilar -> -Webcast Academy: Hola
2008-07-27 12:15:53 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy it’s the expectation that teacher is expert. Happens at univ. as well
2008-07-27 12:15:57 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I’d hate to believe that things make great teachers
2008-07-27 12:15:59 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Hi karen
2008-07-27 12:16:02 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa, but if we rely on tenure to keep good teacher, that the system wouldn’t recoginze your wealth and would let you go on money, that’s a tough thing.
2008-07-27 12:16:16 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, EVERYONE! what’s the topic?
2008-07-27 12:16:29 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: There are always reasons to not change the system. Sometime we’re just going to have to take a leap
2008-07-27 12:16:35 [Message] sheila a -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Karen!
2008-07-27 12:16:36 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Can a person be a good teacher and NOT use tech?
2008-07-27 12:16:47 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: This is GREAT advice!
2008-07-27 12:17:00 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Kevin-those are such valuable steps in the continuum-have you written it somewhere? Link?
2008-07-27 12:17:04 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: as david truss said, they can be but why would they want to be?
2008-07-27 12:17:06 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Could someone be a great doctor without continued training?
2008-07-27 12:17:13 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, Lisa!
2008-07-27 12:17:13 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: great idea of trying things for personal use first…adds buy in
2008-07-27 12:17:26 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: PeggyG Mostly podcast about it
2008-07-27 12:17:41 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Great point Lucy! Yet-technology does NOT make you a great teacher
2008-07-27 12:17:46 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: No @Lucy they can’t
2008-07-27 12:17:51 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I think regardless of profession continued learning is important as humans continued learning is important
2008-07-27 12:18:02 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Lisa P,  I’d like to see it framed as, "Isn’t this exciting? Look what we CAN do!"
2008-07-27 12:18:08 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: I hate to "pick on" ed schools but I’m seeing a lot of young teachers who have not heard of any of the tools we use in our classrooms.
2008-07-27 12:18:09 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Great Drs need current training!
2008-07-27 12:18:18 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: yes, Cheryle, that is the essence. I totally agree
2008-07-27 12:18:29 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Technology in medical field has changed them also
2008-07-27 12:18:31 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy I try that.  They don’t jump on.
2008-07-27 12:18:32 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Technology is required for reaching the needs of ALL our students in our classrooms – struggling learners, kids on IEPs, kids with vision issues, organizational issues etc.
2008-07-27 12:18:34 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: curriculum our district is beginning to adapt is becoming very tech. heavy…online links, clips, etc
2008-07-27 12:18:52 [Message] mrichme -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk  we need a better mentoring program.  Higher ed is further behind than K12.
2008-07-27 12:19:03 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @karen..Hello.  We’ve been talking about UDL and teaching all children.
2008-07-27 12:19:09 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa Parisi yeah, enthusiasm only goes so far, I guess
2008-07-27 12:19:15 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa – wonderful!
2008-07-27 12:19:29 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: @LisaParisi I understand what you are saying about being presumptous
2008-07-27 12:19:41 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: When I taught at the university I always started each class with something new I learned/discovered from my social network. It helped them to appreciate the power of networks and gave them specific tools to try to add value to their teaching.
2008-07-27 12:19:54 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @mrichme My neice is a gr 4 teacher and only knows about these tools through me. Was not introduced to tech at school.
2008-07-27 12:19:58 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @lucy  It does feel presumptuous at times.  But I know I’m right. 😉
2008-07-27 12:20:16 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: how would teachers feel if the students (with guidance of tech person) set up a wiki or blog, etc for class. Would teacher be guided in that direction?
2008-07-27 12:20:18 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: We should starte an elevator pitch wiki
2008-07-27 12:20:27 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: where we plot our lines of thinking
2008-07-27 12:20:39 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: to give admins and colleagues a concrete argument for this stuff
2008-07-27 12:20:53 [Message] CLykowski -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy good idea
2008-07-27 12:20:57 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I need a collective place to come and find stuff to use in this manner
2008-07-27 12:21:14 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: if we withhold the technology that students on IEPs need, isn’t that malpractice?
2008-07-27 12:21:35 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @ifeld52 I set up a ning for gr 7-9 for next year. I’ll teach the kids how to use it for other classes- whether the other teachers want it or not- little worried
2008-07-27 12:21:36 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @mrichme In fact, her whole elem school is made up of 2nd, 3rd year teachers from diff. colleges and not one of them has been show how to integrate tech in the classroom.
2008-07-27 12:21:38 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @lucy GREAT idea!
2008-07-27 12:21:40 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Karen, yes.
2008-07-27 12:21:46 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Ohhhh i do not want to go-what a GREAT conversation! Lucy-I will twitter you the recent presentation! You all need to blog this! Every administrator needs to hear this one! Have a GREAT day all!
2008-07-27 12:21:54 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy, let’s get to building that thing!
2008-07-27 12:21:56 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: When teachers are "required" to learn about tech they come with kinds of attitudes at times.  It helps some if they can go to a colleague one on one.
2008-07-27 12:21:56 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: @bcdteach yea for you!
2008-07-27 12:22:00 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Okay, I’ll start something!
2008-07-27 12:22:03 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think the Moving Forward wiki provides some great resources for ways to advocate and share with educators new to technology
2008-07-27 12:22:13 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: What’s the url, Peggy?
2008-07-27 12:22:18 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Peggy..url?
2008-07-27 12:22:34 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: I have web page for the grade level aimed specifically for sped students but is on main school webpage for others to use
2008-07-27 12:22:35 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd – looking forward to seeing you at the CMK conference tomorrow – we can discuss this further
2008-07-27 12:22:38 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Michele yep, if we teach teachers the tool w/o the Why, it’s like teaching the kids the tool without the learning connection
2008-07-27 12:22:42 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-07-27 12:22:57 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @Karen- looking forward to it
2008-07-27 12:22:59 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @lfeld Great idea!
2008-07-27 12:23:30 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: thanks ginger!
2008-07-27 12:23:36 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk:  I don’t feel like I know that much but I’m willing to share.  And I still need others so much for tech and non-tech learning.
2008-07-27 12:24:04 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: how many of you have text-to-speech installed on all your computers for the struggling readers in your class? how many of you use UDL principles – that’s a great way to reinforces the need for technology for our kids
2008-07-27 12:24:18 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @michele Agreed. Many newbies feel they have nothing to share though and we need to give them opportunity to share non-tech things along side 2.0 tools.
2008-07-27 12:24:22 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Me!
2008-07-27 12:24:36 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: Collapse ..what is the name of the book
2008-07-27 12:24:37 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: @karenjan macs have this native. just had an osx class re. this Thursday
2008-07-27 12:24:44 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa – I KNOW you do – how do we get others to replicate what you have done?
2008-07-27 12:24:54 [Message] McTeach -> -EdTechTalk: @sroseman that is the title
2008-07-27 12:25:01 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: I’ll let you know when I figure that out, Karen.
2008-07-27 12:25:04 [Message] McTeach -> -EdTechTalk: By Jared Diamond, I believe
2008-07-27 12:25:09 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lfed52 -how many have set up the short cut key and told their students what it is?
2008-07-27 12:25:15 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks
2008-07-27 12:25:25 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: trick is getting clearance to change settings…have to set up resource login to do this
2008-07-27 12:25:48 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: only sped teachers and their paras know log in
2008-07-27 12:26:08 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lfedl52 – how does that help the students who need it?
2008-07-27 12:26:40 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: physically disabled and non readers can participate in research and such along side peers
2008-07-27 12:26:51 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:  This page has videos, slideshows, handouts and other resources for PD
2008-07-27 12:27:05 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks @PeggyG!
2008-07-27 12:27:07 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: thanks Peggy
2008-07-27 12:27:10 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lfedl52 – are they dependent upon adults to set it up for them or can they access it independently?
2008-07-27 12:27:43 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: We log them on, then ususally they are indep
2008-07-27 12:27:50 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Darn I opened another tab again
2008-07-27 12:28:00 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: What did I miss??
2008-07-27 12:28:22 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Only the best conversation, Lucy. 😉
2008-07-27 12:28:27 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: LOL
2008-07-27 12:28:36 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa – ask that question again
2008-07-27 12:28:44 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Will this chat be posted for later?
2008-07-27 12:28:56 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, chat will be posted with archive of stream.
2008-07-27 12:29:02 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Karen..what question?
2008-07-27 12:29:13 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: the research question
2008-07-27 12:29:21 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: tradigital learning 🙂
2008-07-27 12:29:25 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Engaging them and leading them
2008-07-27 12:29:28 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Kevin has the best phrases
2008-07-27 12:29:36 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: and the best analogies
2008-07-27 12:29:37 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: and analogies
2008-07-27 12:29:38 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Faciitating, individualized learning
2008-07-27 12:29:52 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Aww shucks
2008-07-27 12:30:44 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: If we stop at an educational border our kids will stop too.
2008-07-27 12:30:55 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @maria- So do you do "teach, model, practice" with tech?
2008-07-27 12:31:16 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Maureen-YES! then repeat 🙂
2008-07-27 12:31:33 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Agreed Maria! Must have comfy chairs, colors, neutrals. Basically varying locations in your area!
2008-07-27 12:31:35 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: that was great!
2008-07-27 12:31:48 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: important of enriching environment!
2008-07-27 12:31:54 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: importance
2008-07-27 12:31:56 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks!
2008-07-27 12:31:58 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: : )
2008-07-27 12:32:06 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: @Kevin we have to get the boarder guards to let us through!
2008-07-27 12:32:23 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: ooohhhh! missed so much of this!
2008-07-27 12:32:37 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: @GingerTPLC Right, or like you teachers could storm in!
2008-07-27 12:32:43 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: These first 2 shows have been great- thank you!
2008-07-27 12:33:01 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Awesome show! Thank you!
2008-07-27 12:33:15 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: well, I’ve been a boarder jumper a long time! And if the guards are too tough, I caringly will "coyote" them in!
2008-07-27 12:33:19 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: how many of you here have high school aged kids whose teachers ARE using technology effectively?
2008-07-27 12:33:27 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: contribute to next week’s conversation with LParisi here:
2008-07-27 12:33:34 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: @GingerTPLC Right On!
2008-07-27 12:33:34 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: great show again, Lisa and Maria!
2008-07-27 12:33:38 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @KArenJan I have some in my school
2008-07-27 12:33:40 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: keep track of all your found links before school year and then see where it may guide you to share with others
2008-07-27 12:34:05 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-07-27 12:34:09 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I’m so glad I was able to join this conversation today! So much to think about and reflect on!
2008-07-27 12:34:17 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Lucy!
2008-07-27 12:34:22 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: I tend to share more with students before teachers!
2008-07-27 12:34:26 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: It’s nothing yet… jump in and edit
2008-07-27 12:34:30 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: who is speaking?
2008-07-27 12:34:32 [Message] wsigele -> -EdTechTalk: @Lucy you are SO quick! Thanks!
2008-07-27 12:34:34 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: I’m not sure how Sites work
2008-07-27 12:34:35 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: How do you definite elevator pitch?
2008-07-27 12:34:36 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, Lucy, Kevin mentioned that.  Good to have the link.
2008-07-27 12:34:39 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Looks good Lucy!
2008-07-27 12:34:45 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: email me and I’ll add you
2008-07-27 12:34:48 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: [email protected]
2008-07-27 12:35:15 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you so much all for coming to our show.
2008-07-27 12:35:17 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Heading back to strike the campsite!
2008-07-27 12:35:23 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: The chat has been wonderful.
2008-07-27 12:35:24 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: It was fun!
2008-07-27 12:35:28 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: the why is the kids!
2008-07-27 12:35:38 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Don’t think of an elephant-author? Sounds really interesting
2008-07-27 12:35:42 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan Nice
2008-07-27 12:35:50 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Got to finish mowing…again/still
2008-07-27 12:35:50 [Message] bobcaro -> -EdTechTalk: George Lakoff – author
2008-07-27 12:35:53 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Author: George Lakoff
2008-07-27 12:35:55 [Message] Michele H. -> -EdTechTalk: Back to the off-line world for awhile, bye everyone!
2008-07-27 12:35:57 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: LOVE the book!
2008-07-27 12:36:13 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: George Lakoff
2008-07-27 12:36:24 [Message] Kevinh -> -EdTechTalk: Author Don’t Think of an Elephant
2008-07-27 12:36:28 [Message] sroseman -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you ..great sharing
2008-07-27 12:36:32 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: this is excellent – I love being around other educators who really care about doing the right things in their schools – we are change agents!
2008-07-27 12:36:42 [Message] amymcordova -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
2008-07-27 12:36:49 [Message] chriss dahl -> -EdTechTalk: nice job today, good conversation and chat. thanks!
2008-07-27 12:36:49 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: bye all!
2008-07-27 12:37:01 [Message] lfeld52 -> -EdTechTalk: thanks all see you on the plurk/twitter side
2008-07-27 12:37:04 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks again. Let us know if you want to be part of next week’s show.

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