This week, Sheila Adams, Lisa Parisi, and Maria Knee were joined by Ginger Lewman for a conversation about free tools. How much are we willing to pay if the tools don’t stay free?
11:27:46 sheila: Welcome to Conversations!
11:28:42 sheila: Can someone check to see if ETTA is running?
11:28:48 Maureen: I can hear you
11:28:49 LisaParisi: Hello Rose. Welcome!!!
11:28:57 Josu: Hello
11:29:01 Maureen: ustream
11:29:01 LisaParisi: Maureen can you hear on ETTA?
11:30:02 Maureen: I can hear on ETTA- low volume
11:30:13 cyndidannerkuhn: Hello from Kansas State University, I can hear great
11:30:48 Maureen: You’re back… Sheila!
11:30:59 sheila: Yes! Had a great trip!
11:31:20 Maureen: Maria have power again?
11:31:35 cyndidannerkuhn: Is there a link to that wiki you just mentioned
11:32:25 Rose Arnell: Hi Ladies. Sound is working..
11:32:34 sheila: Thanks!
11:32:37 Maureen: March 7th 🙂
11:33:05 sheila: Blog at http://ettconversations.blogspot.com
11:33:14 Maureen: I pay for flickr pro, voicethread, toondoospaces
11:33:47 LisaParisi: I pay for animoto and voicethread
11:33:52 Maureen: You must have started when you were 9!
11:34:05 cyndidannerkuhn: I pay for Flickr Pro and just the $10 for Voicethread outta guilt
11:34:17 Rose Arnell: I try not to pay for anything because there is always an alternative
11:34:25 Maureen: We also pay for edublogs campus- whole school acct
11:34:28 LisaParisi: Well, without paying $10 in VT, you can only make 3.
11:34:30 cyndidannerkuhn: I do love that there is so much that is free though
11:34:39 woodenmask: I pay for Flickr Pro and just bought a Vimeo account – totally worth it.
11:34:40 Rose Arnell: PTA has paid for Voicethread
11:35:06 Maureen: Debating whether to go for glogster edu pro… not this year, no $
11:35:42 Maureen: That’s a long time. I was cranky when mine was out for 4 hours this time. Last year it was a couple of days… very very cranky.
11:35:59 Rose Arnell: I am only hearing one side of the conversation. Am I able to somehow hear Maria?
11:36:17 LisaParisi: Oops.. maybe stick with ustream, Rose.
11:36:23 woodenmask: I’m not hearing Maria either.
11:36:26 LisaParisi: I don’t think my stream is working well.
11:36:35 LisaParisi: Ustream will give you the whole conversation
11:36:42 LisaParisi: click on the play arrow
11:36:45 Maureen: That reminded me, I also bought a blip acct… for the whole school. I try to buy stuff that everyone preK-9 can use.
11:36:56 Rose Arnell: Got it, Lisa..thanks Nice
11:37:16 LisaParisi: Stream is in UStream only folks. Sorry!
11:37:28 McTeach: Having computer issues this morning. Grrrr!
11:37:32 woodenmask: Thanks – got it.
11:37:55 McTeach: My kids always seem to be a little "off"! :/
11:38:02 woodenmask: Giant tree came down in our front yard.
11:38:03 Maureen: We got 20" the first storm, 12" the second, but not a lot of damage this time, just some white pine down
11:40:16 cyndidannerkuhn: 65 in Manhattan, KS
11:40:20 Maureen: You’re boiling already! Wow! It’s nice out today… sunny- 40s.
11:40:53 Maureen: I still have more than 2 feet of snow on the ground, only misguided robins- pecking at all the snow.
11:41:11 Maureen: Yardbirds
11:41:15 cyndidannerkuhn: wow what fun!! I remember them!!
11:41:45 MariaK: @Maureen – sap flowing for 2 weeks
11:42:28 Maureen: We just put buckets up at school- haven’t checked them…the environmental club is doing it
11:44:03 sheila: Welcome Sarah H!
11:44:47 sarah H: Hi, thanks!
11:44:49 Maureen: It makes a difference if you are in a self-contained classroom or not. I have 6 classes- having to pay per pupil is hard.
11:45:37 Deya Castilleja: Hi, it´s nice to see so many people around. Hello from Mexico
11:45:57 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree, I would just add something to the name like WrodleEducation
11:46:08 LisaParisi: http://blog.wordle.net/2010/03/what-happened.html
11:46:09 cyndidannerkuhn: woops WordleEducation
11:46:17 claudia: how do they make money to survive?
11:46:47 Maureen: They need a different business model. All the free stuff simply isn’t sustainable. It has to scale and have a free, then premium model.
11:47:51 cyndidannerkuhn: I pay my $10 to voicethread, but have educator account. Only pay $10 cuz I feel quilty since I use it and demo it so much
11:48:01 Maureen: I pay 200/yr
11:48:13 cyndidannerkuhn: No edu is not walled garden
11:48:19 Maureen: The edu acct you can have it as a walled garden, but do not have to
11:48:32 cyndidannerkuhn: edu account really is free for teachers
11:48:59 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree, the montly stuff is tough
11:49:09 cyndidannerkuhn: I can handle 10 a year too
11:49:32 Maureen: I set up VT for the whole school, everyone has their own acct. I used to just use identities, but after a few years- with all the classes I teach, it was so cumbersome
11:49:46 sarah H: I feel like its time to pay for a site when I know it’s doing something I couldn’t do any other way. Quia is worth $$. Animoto is worth $$. I like Poll Everywhere, but I can do the same thing with Google Docs, even if it isn’t as pretty (I don’t use the cell phone part).
11:49:47 McTeach: Ginger…the Devil’s Advocate??? Shocking!
11:50:16 Maureen: I think that the schools should set up accts- edublogs, VT, etc… that way it is more available for all.
11:50:33 McTeach: So, it’s like we’re doing the advertising
11:50:38 McTeach: Oh…there you go, Lisa
11:50:41 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree, we are thes site PR tool
11:51:11 sheila: @Sarah H – I pay for Quia too.
11:51:28 cyndidannerkuhn: good point ginger
11:51:54 cyndidannerkuhn: I do think we should have to prove we are the teacher
11:52:27 Maureen: I think that the schools should see the web 2.0 tools as "software". If you are using all these tools, you don’t need all the other proprietary accts.
11:52:49 McTeach: Going to pay for my flickr account…with 365 project I’m using up my space
11:53:04 McTeach: And I want to use some of the extra features that you only get if you go pro
11:53:22 cyndidannerkuhn: I don’t pay for Animoto, I have an educator account and bless them, they renew it everysemester when I introduce it in my class, cuz they get paid accounts whe the code expires from my students
11:53:36 cyndidannerkuhn: what is oovo? sp?
11:53:40 sarah H: I am fortunate, my school can pay for some sites and it is my job to determine what is worth my limited budget. I feel like schools under budget pressure (I have friends who are using personal $$ to buy toilet paper for the class bathroom) need more free accounts.
11:53:43 GingerTPLC: oovoo.com
11:54:04 cyndidannerkuhn: looks cool
11:54:08 Rose Arnell: I ask PTA to pay for accts. Not many teachers use tools, sadly enough.
11:54:32 Maureen: But, if you have the school set up the account- then you can usually set up groups within them, or sets in Flickr… no one teacher needs to pay. It is a cost of using the tools- like buying a license for Microsoft.
11:55:24 McTeach: Maureen…I work at a Catholic school so they won’t pay for everything I feel I need
11:55:58 cyndidannerkuhn: I would rather just pay one fee too
11:57:05 cyndidannerkuhn: I absolutley love Voicethread, but it si so darn slow sometimes!!
11:57:19 GingerTPLC: My kids hate Voice Thread.
11:57:36 LisaParisi: Really Cyndi? I don’t find that. Must be bandwidth.
11:57:59 cyndidannerkuhn: I do think Voicethread needs to make some improvements, it pretty much is exactly the same as when it began
11:58:18 Maureen: What about the other things we use.. diigo, google, etc… I can’t live without them. I don’t want these things to disappear, so how can I support them? By paying a relatively small fee is OK for me.
11:58:19 GingerTPLC: We have blistering bandwidth and it’s super duper slow for us.
11:58:35 GingerTPLC: Google doesn’t need us to pay. Ever.
11:58:58 claudia: Scrated is funded by MIT
11:59:09 LisaParisi: Google knows how to make money without charging us.
11:59:11 cyndidannerkuhn: There are so many tools that are free, most times one can be found to do what you what
11:59:26 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree, no need to pay or google stuff
11:59:54 Maureen: OK… google was just an example.. I agree, but it is one of the tools I use constantly
12:00:12 cyndidannerkuhn: wordle issue, ginger what were those othert tools you share that were similiar? on that dark day wordle went down.
12:00:12 LisaParisi: So should we only use sites that are free?
12:00:39 claudia: Think that free tools will end being free because investment money has tried up. Most companies will start charging this year.
12:00:42 GingerTPLC: oh Cyndi, there are so many alternatives to Wordle.
12:00:42 Maureen: But as educators, we get something for free and then complain like crazy if the creators of the sites won’t listen to use and modify things to make it easier- not really fair
12:01:12 cyndidannerkuhn: GingerTPLC, what are they
12:01:25 woodenmask: The people who develop this stuff deserve to make a living. If it’s convenient and not too expensive, I pay. (Not often, but I do do it occasionally…)
12:01:29 claudia: Maureen is very right. We complain to the creators to modify, but then not willing to pay.
12:01:55 cyndidannerkuhn: I agreee, the people that make these tools deserve to make a living, it is a tough call
12:02:30 claudia: Server costs are expensive. Moderators on sites have to be paid to keep inappropriate content off the sites.
12:03:15 McTeach: Hence the Google Teachers Academy
12:03:16 Maureen: We want sites to be free, moderated, easy to use for teachers to set up for kids, etc. etc… I think we are asking too much.
12:03:17 cyndidannerkuhn: You are right, Google has it figured out
12:03:38 Maureen: Right , but google makes money from ads
12:03:41 claudia: Google should be feared. They will start charging.
12:03:59 McTeach: And we have Google Apps at our school and the kids love it! I know they’ll continue using these features after they leave our school
12:04:06 woodenmask: Thinking about paying for my EduBlogs account – not crazy about the ads on our blog.
12:04:50 GingerTPLC: We’re already paying for google. Just not with $.
12:04:59 GingerTPLC: We’re paying with privacy.
12:05:00 Maureen: @woodenmask I think that edublogs did it the right way- show people what they have to do- have ads- in order to make the business work.
12:05:01 cyndidannerkuhn: I pay for server space for my WordPress blog rather than use the free version. Just give me more control
12:05:35 woodenmask: I agree Maria – we don’t represent a major revenue stream. I like Vimeo and Flickr’s model – if you use it a LOT, you have to pay a little.
12:05:37 claudia: Teachers though ask for more modifications to sites than other users so shouldn’t they we paying something?
12:06:09 Maureen: SO, the school needs to recognize that these tools are necessary- ditch microsoft word- save tons of money and spend it on stuff like web 2.0 tools that we want to keep using.
12:06:27 sarah H: I do the same with wikispaces–only add free for kids.
12:06:34 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree, depends on the audience, I teach college age, so the ads are not usually a big deal
12:07:20 woodenmask: The ads on our RootsBlog are for African-American dating sites
12:07:53 cyndidannerkuhn: Me too, tak a screen shot of finished Wordle. then I can use however I need
12:07:53 sarah H: In my case, the adults are in conference sessions or workshops I do. I am either making money or getting to attend for less $$ so the ads should stay.
12:08:22 Maureen: I let the 7th graders use it- they can deal with ads
12:08:34 Rose Arnell: Does your school open YouTube for viewing in school, Lisa?
12:08:35 cyndidannerkuhn: It is WetPaint
12:08:39 LisaParisi: Do you think that’s appropriate, @woodenmask?
12:08:42 GingerTPLC: Cyndi, you were asking about Wordle Alternatives: http://moourl.com/w7s9b
12:08:52 LisaParisi: Those are the ads that make me nervous.
12:08:54 sarah H: I have MS kids, so I have the talk about what to do if you see a Wordle with *wordy dirds* in it and then let them go on.
12:09:03 sheila: Thanks Ginger! I was interested too!
12:09:15 cyndidannerkuhn: Thanks Ginger
12:09:18 Rose Arnell: @Lisa what tools do you ue to embed you tube vids for school?
12:09:30 Maureen: Listened to classroom 2.0 yesterday- sweet search and dulcinea- they have ads, mostly amazon. They have to make it useful for teachers, and still survive.
12:09:36 LisaParisi: I have a school blog that allows me to embed.
12:09:36 woodenmask: They’re not EXACTLY inappropriate, but I’d be happier with something a little less adult.
12:09:46 LisaParisi: I also embed into wikispaces.
12:10:10 Rose Arnell: How or what do you use to convert? Is youtube open in your school?
12:10:14 LisaParisi: We also see ads for feminine products.
12:10:25 GingerTPLC: But with EdTech Talk, not all of us can get on and use the service.
12:10:29 woodenmask: Or, I could cowboy up and pay for the site. A subscription pays for something like up to 7 separate pages.
12:10:30 LisaParisi: Yes, Rose, YouTube is open. Go ahead…be jealous.
12:10:55 Rose Arnell: I definitely am!
12:11:00 Maureen: I showed the kids the firefox extension to get rid of ads- the lose the belly fat ones were too annoying
12:11:05 cyndidannerkuhn: There is a cool google add0n for converting Youtube, can;t remember name, saw a MACE conference last week
12:11:16 LisaParisi: What FF extension?
12:11:29 cyndidannerkuhn: I use Zamzar to conver http://zamzar.com most of the time
12:11:30 sarah H: DownloadHelper will convert You Tube Vids.
12:11:43 Rose Arnell: I know of several to convert you tube but if you tube is blocked in school it still won’t show.
12:11:43 Maureen: @Lisa- hang on a minute… using chrome
12:11:49 sarah H: Quiettube is handy if You Tube isn’t blocked.
12:11:50 LisaParisi: I paid for a switch converter to convert videos and audio.
12:11:52 cyndidannerkuhn: tha is it Download helper
12:12:08 LisaParisi: $30 for life
12:12:15 MariaK: how does quiet tube work?
12:12:25 sarah H: I use download helper to load videos to a flash drive.
12:12:26 Maureen: @lisa- I use format factory to convert- free and does a great job
12:12:38 cyndidannerkuhn: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
12:12:39 GingerTPLC: Love QuietTube. It takes off ads and comments.
12:12:43 sarah H: Quiet tube shows just the video on a blankbackground.
12:12:56 LisaParisi: I had so many problems with free converters. I use it all the time and really needed it to be reliable.
12:13:04 MariaK: does Quiet Tube convert you tube vids
12:13:09 sarah H: Sorry, I think there’s a crumb under my spacebar.
12:13:13 LisaParisi: LOL
12:13:34 GingerTPLC: lol
12:13:42 sarah H: No converting with quiet tube, just takes away the clutter of You Tube.
12:14:32 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree Ginger, if value we should give back
12:14:52 cyndidannerkuhn: what is the tool you pay for?
12:15:02 sheila: and give back could be mean volunteering or financial or . . .
12:15:20 cyndidannerkuhn: switch http://www.nch.com.au/switch/plus.html
12:15:24 GingerTPLC: Sheila. Yes.
12:15:26 GingerTPLC: Both.
12:15:52 Maureen: site
12:16:44 cyndidannerkuhn: Although Google sites is not a slick as some others, in fact as much as I love most of the google stuff, google sites is not my favorite
12:16:58 cyndidannerkuhn: I agree Prezi is a huge learning curve, no patience to learn it
12:18:03 cyndidannerkuhn: 😀
12:18:05 McTeach: Cyndi…I used to think the same thing about Sites, but since we started using Google Apps at school this year, I’ve really learned to love them!
12:18:10 woodenmask: Thanks a LOT! Now I’m thirsty.
12:18:20 sheila: 🙂
12:18:22 McTeach: We did!!
12:18:26 GingerTPLC: Joh, you’re so funny!
12:18:36 GingerTPLC: Google Apps is too restrictive for us.
12:18:44 cyndidannerkuhn: McTeach I am sure you are right.
12:18:56 Maureen: FF finally opened- the extension to block the ads is called ad block plus https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865
12:19:35 claudia: Should be individual per tool
12:20:10 Maureen: I think it was because it was grandfathered in. I had that too, but now switched to the paid version.
12:20:15 cyndidannerkuhn: Yes there is, I use it all the time and my students, preservice teachers use it too,
12:20:19 woodenmask: I made a VoiceThread with that same kind of Educator account about a month ago.
12:20:28 cyndidannerkuhn: there is a k12 free one
12:20:46 GingerTPLC: I’d rather pay for hardware than software. Hypocritical?
12:21:08 cyndidannerkuhn: I am not willing to pay for textbook, paper ones!! for what I teach they are outta date by the time I get them
12:21:15 claudia: Hard goods is something you can hold
12:21:16 MariaK: Yes – I think there is still a free educator account for VT
12:21:25 Maureen: But, all of this stuff is part of being in school… schools should shoulder the responsibility- do you pay for your laptops?
12:21:55 woodenmask: I always imagine some guy in a loft (probably in Bangalore) trying to make a living. If we value creativity, we should be willing to walk the walk.
12:22:20 claudia: The change though is that the investment community was actively funding software companies 2 years ago. They have stopped funding now so companies are scrambling.
12:22:35 sarah H: But educators put open source software through a gauntlet that everyday users don’t
12:22:36 woodenmask: That said, I wouldn’t pay for anything that wasn’t of value to me.
12:22:51 claudia: Everything is marked beta now
12:22:51 Maureen: But you pay for it an annual basis. You spend 300- 600 for school laptops- which last for 3 years… It would be the same thing- pay for annual subscriptions- just like paying for database for the library. All these things are tools to teach
12:23:02 cyndidannerkuhn: Here is the link to the VT FREE account. There are three types Class account, Pro account and VT Educator, VT Educator is FREE- 50 Voicethreads, http://voicethread.com/pricing/k12/
12:23:05 claudia: yes
12:23:06 Maureen: Its a choice now
12:23:18 claudia: They are limiting the number of accounts
12:23:33 Maureen: You can keep the free glogster edu acct, but now there is a more powerful version that you can pay for
12:23:38 cyndidannerkuhn: http://edu.glogster.com/
12:23:48 sarah H: We didn’t pay for educator glogster accounts in Nov. Maybe it has changed since then.
12:23:49 claudia: Glogster is running out of money from what I hear
12:23:50 GingerTPLC: Sarah, you’re right. We have LOTS of people we use the tool with in a quick amount of time, taking it though the paces all in the same room. Great research.
12:23:57 cyndidannerkuhn: Basic is free and they do have a subscription side too
12:24:31 cyndidannerkuhn: the paid side give you manage student accounts, etc
12:24:51 claudia: 30 guys out of czechoslavakia
12:24:57 Maureen: They changed a lot- so did diigo, so did toondoo… this stuff costs money!
12:25:05 claudia: they got $3million in funding years ago
12:25:21 Rose Arnell: Media specialist got a free Glogster premium account that she can share with teachers.
12:25:25 sarah H: Diigo is a tool I would pay for if I could get a few features added.
12:25:29 sheila: Never tried toondoo.
12:25:41 LisaParisi: I don’t pay for toondoo
12:25:52 cyndidannerkuhn: I could not live without delicious!! I would probably pay
12:26:20 cyndidannerkuhn: I am amazed that YouTube is still free
12:26:21 Maureen: @sheila- my kids love toondoo. I bought the subscription version- use shared accts. They make cartoons- can bring in their own images, etc… I like it
12:26:29 sarah H: I’ve sent some thoughts to Maggie Tsai, but I think they are not easy things to do. But I’d pay. So, is it worth it to develop them?
12:26:32 woodenmask: (Laughing…) "Never tried toondoo…" Sounds like something a cute girl would try to get me to do at a college party…
12:26:45 sheila: Tx Maureen – I’ll check it out.
12:26:51 Maureen: @lisa- I paid for toondoospaces to keep it cleaner for the kids
12:26:59 claudia: i use doink
12:27:06 cyndidannerkuhn: audience is critical
12:27:41 cyndidannerkuhn: lol
12:27:47 claudia: hundreds!
12:28:11 GingerTPLC: I was floored when I started looking at wordle alternatives.
12:28:22 cyndidannerkuhn: here is a wiki Mary Fraizer and I put together for a presentation last week, growing into a monster http://technologykeys.wikispaces.com/
12:28:30 woodenmask: Floored in which way, Ginger?
12:28:41 Maureen: Marriage is funny that way
12:29:03 cyndidannerkuhn: And how about Photpeach, Stupleflix FixMix
12:29:16 cyndidannerkuhn: My college students love Animoto
12:29:31 cyndidannerkuhn: www.stupeflix.com/
12:29:42 cyndidannerkuhn: It is very cool
12:30:17 Maureen: you can put sound in.. use the slidecast piece
12:30:18 sarah H: hmm–My issue with Animoto is that my videos on YT keep getting flagged as violating copyright.
12:30:24 cyndidannerkuhn: Here is a new on Richard Bryne shared recently
12:30:25 cyndidannerkuhn: http://flixtime.com/
12:30:29 sheila: List of tools and apps – http://www.go2web20.net/
12:30:39 woodenmask: Thanks for the conversation – sunshine and a goofy 5-year old are calling.
12:30:44 cyndidannerkuhn: dotsut
12:30:52 sheila: bye john
12:30:58 LisaParisi: bye John
12:31:02 Maureen: I use authorstream….but they are a pain in the butt to upload. Takes forever.
12:31:03 cyndidannerkuhn: On dotSUB you can view, upload, transcribe, and translate any video into … TED’s new translation program using dotSUB – introduced by June Cohen TED 09 … dotsub.com/
12:31:51 sarah H: uh oh–gotta run. 2 sick kids in the house. Thanks for the great conversation!
12:31:55 cyndidannerkuhn: on all, my persoanl finances, maybe $200 total out of pocket, school, whatever I can convince them to pay for
12:32:02 Maureen: I pay about 500/yr, but I try to cover all the students- preK-9 with any acct I buy.
12:32:41 cyndidannerkuhn: That is my problem, keep finding a new one, I don’t wnat to know, but my account said it was couple thousand for me too
12:32:42 LisaParisi: Bye Sarah
12:32:51 MariaK: http://www.myplick.com/
12:33:10 Maureen: What about dipity and the timeline tools?
12:34:01 cyndidannerkuhn: never heard of myplick, but looks cool
12:34:05 Maureen: If we didn’t have these tools we would have to buy proprietary software to do the same types of things… It should come out of a school wide IT acct and be available to everyone
12:34:18 sheila: Soo many tools I feel I haven’t even heard of them
12:34:33 cyndidannerkuhn: This was excellent, thanks
12:34:48 Rose Arnell: Always learning….you ladies are great!
12:35:07 Rose Arnell: Bye Lisa:)
12:35:13 LisaParisi: http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
12:35:15 MariaK: good bye all!