Conversations #83 – November 14, 2010


How do we deal with atypical students? Do we even have typical students?

 11:27:59  Sheila -> : Welcome all to the “Conversations” show!
 11:27:59  MariaK -> : Glad everyone can make it for Conversations – Lisa, Maria and Sheila will be on air momentarily!
 11:28:13  MariaK -> : having our own “conversation”
 11:28:25  Sheila -> : Changing colors
 11:28:46  Sheila -> : changing again
 11:28:58  MariaK -> : make up your mind!
 11:32:01  Sheila -> : Morning Maureen!
 11:32:11  Maureen -> : Hi Sheila
 11:32:32  Maureen -> : Taking a break from writing a million grades and comments
 11:32:51  Maureen -> : really only 130+ half pages
 11:33:12  Sheila -> : That’s a lot!
 11:33:25  Maureen -> : I teach 6 grades… it adds up
 11:33:59  Sheila -> : Ustream is on. Can you hear ok?
 11:34:04  Maureen -> : That’s not new Maria- i always enjoy silly
 11:34:09  Maureen -> : Yes ustream is up
 11:34:17  Sheila -> : THanks Maureen!
 11:34:18  minhaaj -> : yep Sheila
 11:34:32  Sheila -> : πŸ™‚ Minhaaj!
 11:34:32  creyes5361 -> : I do not hear anything
 11:34:35  Maureen -> : @sheila- the little screen is black, but audio is clear
 11:34:47  Maureen -> : Hi Karen
 11:34:56  minhaaj -> : its supposed to be black unless they are streaming video too
 11:35:12  Maureen -> : now the ustream is up and showing the chat
 11:35:32  Lisa Parisi -> : Press play button on ustream to get audio
 11:36:13  Maureen -> : Good morning Peggy
 11:36:19  PeggyG -> : Hi everyone!
 11:36:24  Lisa Parisi -> : Good morning everyone.
 11:36:50  PeggyG -> : I feel like I was in Florida for the launch thanks to you Sheila!!!!
 11:36:53  McTeach (Karen) -> : Hi Maureen
 11:36:57  Maureen -> : I spent my “hoilday” grading. Feel deprived- beautiful weather and I’m stuck inside writing comments
 11:37:01  McTeach (Karen) -> : Good morning everyone!
 11:37:17  PeggyG -> : so sorry Maureen!!
 11:37:18  Cheryl W -> : Good Morning everyone!
 11:37:28  PeggyG -> : Hi McTeach! and you were grading too, right???
 11:37:31  Sheila -> : I agree Maureen!
 11:37:42  Sheila -> : Welcome everyone!
 11:38:01  McTeach (Karen) -> : Peggy…um, well…
 11:38:05  Maureen -> : I hadn’t planned on going anywhere today- was in pjs writing comments. Then the painter showed up to do the trim. WOuld have been nice to know he was coming. Felt silly in pjs
 11:38:22  PeggyG -> : no worries Maureen!! πŸ™‚
 11:38:44  PeggyG -> : that sounds like a plan Lisa!! finishing up projects this week!!
 11:39:07  PeggyG -> : I saw that! hub for teachers
 11:39:18  Maureen -> : I’ve finished up most- since grades closed on Friday for our term. Planning on playing in scratch in many of the classes til TG
 11:40:22  Lisa Parisi -> : http://hubforteachers.discoveryeducation.com/
 11:40:32  PeggyG -> : is it sponsored by Discovery Ed?
 11:41:34  PeggyG -> : http://hubforteachers.com/storytelling-in-classroom/index.cfm  another great link on the site for “storytelling in the classroom”
 11:42:13  McTeach (Karen) -> : Taking the kids into the woods??? That sounds so wrong.
 11:42:19  PeggyG -> : what an awesome student teacher!!!!
 11:43:47  creyes5361 -> : I can hear everyone
 11:43:48  MariaK -> : http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blog_id=1236527&mode=comment&user_id=&blogger_id=
 11:43:50  Lisa Parisi -> : LOL Karen
 11:44:05  Lisa Parisi -> : Hooray, Creyes
 11:44:08  PeggyG -> : what fun!!!!
 11:44:15  Maureen -> : Animoto was quick for me this fall, altho in the past they took forever. I made accts for al the kids- since they have to put ages. Parents gave permission, but still have put a +13 birthday on signups. Better me than them.
 11:44:18  McTeach (Karen) -> : Ah…gotcha!
 11:44:29  creyes5361 -> : Hooray for everyone
 11:44:30  PeggyG -> : coming from someone who took her middle schoolers camping for an entire week!!
 11:44:41  McTeach (Karen) -> : We don’t have woods nearby…just 7/11. πŸ™‚
 11:44:46  PeggyG -> : πŸ™‚
 11:44:51  creyes5361 -> : I hear the voices and see on the screen the users.
 11:45:23  creyes5361 -> : Where are the woods Karen?
 11:45:45  PeggyG -> : sounds like you’re hearing and seeing everything creyes πŸ™‚
 11:45:47  McTeach (Karen) -> : @creyes No woods around here.
 11:46:32  PeggyG -> : they are learning something…it just may not be what the teacher is teaching…
 11:46:56  creyes5361 -> : Where is the visual in the chat live? Just audio?
 11:47:03  Lisa Parisi -> : No visual
 11:47:08  PeggyG -> : click on play on the ustream
 11:47:15  PeggyG -> : that is all the visual there is…
 11:47:19  McTeach (Karen) -> : Maria has a mute button???
 11:47:19  Cheryl W -> : Full Inclusion is bringing these students back into the Reg ed classroom!
 11:47:58  PeggyG -> : yes πŸ™‚
 11:48:09  Cheryl W -> : These students have been in center schools and self-contained classrooms!
 11:48:34  MariaK -> : @mcteach – no mute button here – just on skype!!!
 11:48:41  PeggyG -> : Animal Farm revisited! we all have talents
 11:49:29  MariaK -> : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MctafuXLho&feature=related
 11:51:10  Maureen -> : I have a class that is very divided- the A I give to one group is not the same as the A in the other group.. it can’t be. One group would have all Cs and Ds
 11:51:39  Cheryl W -> : Grades = expectations
 11:52:21  PeggyG -> : Have you seen this video? “Even Eagles Need a Push” http://www.eaglesneedapush.com/?cm_mmc=CheetahMail-_-FR-_-10.29.10-_-EENPMovie
 11:53:29  PeggyG -> : http://www.janebluestein.com/handouts/animal.html  Great resources for the Animal School: A Fable
 11:53:45  McTeach (Karen) -> : Yes! I hate when they compare themselves to their classmates!
 11:54:11  PeggyG -> : Remember the old, old book by Syd Simon–Whatjaget? πŸ™‚
 11:54:21  PeggyG -> : all about grading and comparing grades πŸ™‚
 11:54:24  Cheryl W -> : We need to grade individually not as a group
 11:54:49  Maureen -> : I have kids who think they are stupid if they get a C with a 1 in effort. It’s hard to find a balance between constuctive feedback and self-esteem, even when each teacher at my school is required to write half page comments.
 11:55:11  PeggyG -> : what a great idea to create a rap with the kids comments!! Love it!
 11:55:58  PeggyG -> : you know your answer Lisa πŸ™‚
 11:56:13  PeggyG -> : choice and what he’s interested in πŸ™‚
 11:56:42  PeggyG -> : yes you’re back Sheila
 11:56:46  Lisa Parisi -> : When do I have time to do that Peggy
 11:57:01  Lisa Parisi -> : I have more and more content each year
 11:57:02  Maureen -> : I had my 9th graders self-assess their work- using the goals they wrote for their project in Spetember. Most I agreed with, a couple I didn’t and had conversations with.
 11:57:09  PeggyG -> : just saying…
 11:57:26  PeggyG -> : you answered your own question
 11:58:26  PeggyG -> : great point Sheila–I think it’s the relationship and connection with the teacher πŸ™‚
 11:58:37  PeggyG -> : she feels valued
 11:59:26  Maureen -> : Is he just not on task in school or at home or other places at well?
 11:59:45  Sheila -> : I feel valued when others do that for me, too! Feel more engaged.
 12:00:27  PeggyG -> : my grandson is like that but he doesn’t have any teachers who are trying to engage him or draw him out–just punish with grades for work that never gets turned in
 12:01:37  Maureen -> : So, can you let them do what they want to do? This is what I did with my older kids this year- 9th grade. They chose what they wanted, wrote what success was going to look like for them. Maybe it’s because I don’t have to teach a specific content- but it’s working for me
 12:03:03  PeggyG -> : makes so much sense Maureen!!
 12:03:36  PeggyG -> : funny!
 12:05:19  PeggyG -> : you’re kidding Sheila?! never done that before? required in every classroom in AZ! must be posted and reviewed
 12:05:31  Lisa Parisi -> : But, Maureen, what if you do need to teach content?
 12:06:14  Maureen -> : I don’t know… but feel like Maria was on the right track- getting buy in to the content
 12:06:34  Lisa Parisi -> : I feel he buys in more when we work with kids outside of the class.
 12:06:54  PeggyG -> : very empowering activity Sheila!!!
 12:06:57  Lisa Parisi -> : He has more incentive to do his part when strangers are depending on him.
 12:07:39  Cheryl W -> : Maybe if he ties in, the content to things outside the class for him.
 12:10:12  PeggyG -> : I think he feels like he has a choice when it’s outside of the classroom
 12:10:18  Sheila -> : @PeggyG – I have never cut and pasted exact working from state standards. Have always used my wording on rubrics, etc. Also, have never shared it’s coming from the state.
 12:10:27  Sheila -> : *wording
 12:11:01  PeggyG -> : I’ve seen some great “kid” versions of the AZ standards that teachers have asked them to put in their own words. Such a great way to understand them!
 12:13:18  Cheryl W -> : Can you give this other student smaller steps to accomplish – leading to the larger!
 12:14:03  PeggyG -> : http://www.travisusd.k12.ca.us/center/parents_corner/standards/kidfriendlystandards.htm This is a nice example of kid-friendly standards from CA
 12:14:24  Sheila -> : Thanks Peggy!
 12:16:03  Sheila -> : On electronic work, we have the students put the standards addressed for technology in a footer of their paper. For them and to let parents know we are teaching tech skills too.
 12:16:32  PeggyG -> : great idea Sheila!
 12:16:39  PeggyG -> : making it cognitive πŸ™‚
 12:17:33  Sheila -> : Could do that with science standards.
 12:17:47  PeggyG -> : definitely!
 12:19:53  Cheryl W -> : Yes but first we must make them buy in to the process!
 12:20:44  Maureen -> : Missed the last 15 minutes- phone call… what did I miss?
 12:22:32  PeggyG -> :  this is a nice PDF of kid-friendly science standards for gr K-5: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1a2gD0IUi3P89bdaRw4XISYgaI79FbzT39jRpty6-yChHS94AYz3usEvSMS–&authkey=CPLmh6gO&hl=en
 12:22:55  PeggyG -> : reminds me of the homework bingo cards that allow choices on homework assignments
 12:24:09  Maureen -> : But allowing choices, and then a student chooses not to choose- that’s a choice they make.
 12:24:18  McTeach (Karen) -> : Peggy…love the kid-friendly science standards! Thanks for sharing that…would love to set something up like that for myself!
 12:24:27  PeggyG -> : http://www.educationworld.com/a_curr/homeworktips/homeworktips036.shtml
 12:24:32  Lisa Parisi -> : How can that be an acceptable choice, Maureen?
 12:24:42  PeggyG -> : great ideas for help with homework hassles including homework bingo
 12:25:17  Maureen -> : I didn’t say it was acceptable, but it happens in my class at times. I generally have a conversation with the parents when it does
 12:25:38  Lisa Parisi -> : Maybe the choice has to be you must choose one of these.
 12:25:54  PeggyG -> : I really think involving the kids in rewriting the standards to make them kid-friendly is such a good idea!
 12:26:59  Maureen -> : phone again… next week………………….
 12:27:06  PeggyG -> : very interesting point Maria–inconsistency can be their consistency πŸ™‚
 12:27:17  MariaK -> : @peggyg – we call that work – unwrapping the GLE’s – grade level expectations
 12:27:20  Cheryl W -> : choices have consequences some good some bad and as long as they are aware & understand the consequences give them the choice
 12:27:46  PeggyG -> : perfect label Maria πŸ™‚
 12:28:36  PeggyG -> : kids can illustrate the standards with pictures of what those standards would look like
 12:29:37  PeggyG -> : sounds like you’re describing kids with asperger’s syndrome Maria–can be very bright but disconnected
 12:30:37  MariaK -> : no – not asperger’s – I have 2 students with that and one with autism – these are students who are functioning at a very low level, in academics
 12:31:53  Cheryl W -> : finding out what they are interested in outside of school and then bring it into the classroom and relate it to their content
 12:33:01  PeggyG -> : your learning goals for those 2 students will be different than those for the rest of the class–they aren’t functioning at KDG level and need modifications (like you do all the time)!!
 12:33:49  PeggyG -> : it’s a very different question when you think “can they do it” or are you choosing not to do it
 12:34:07  Cheryl W -> : In “K” the questions asked of those studens needs to be on their level allow them to point to the answer or choose the picture that answers the question.
 12:34:39  PeggyG -> : that’s the key!! you have to treat them differently when they are doing the best they can!
 12:34:43  Lisa Parisi -> : http://www.globaleducationconference.com/index.html
 12:34:56  PeggyG -> : the Global Education Conference is going to be fabulous!!! over 50 keynote speakers!!
 12:35:07  PeggyG -> : everything will be recorded too
 12:35:39  PeggyG -> : there are so many sessions that I don’t think you’ll need to worry about getting into the rooms–4 sessions at a time many parts of the day/night
 12:36:06  PeggyG -> : great conversation today! thanks Lisa, Sheila and Maria!
 12:36:07  Lisa Parisi -> : http://www.brainpop.com/educators/blog/2010/11/webinar-alert-planning-a-project-from-beginning-to-end/
 12:36:18  Cheryl W -> : thanks everyone!
 12:36:24  Lisa Parisi -> : http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
 12:36:44  PeggyG -> : can we view that brainpop if we’re not members Lisa?
 12:37:16  PeggyG -> : intriguing question Maria!!!
 12:37:21  Lisa Parisi -> : Bye
 12:37:27  PeggyG -> : bye all
 12:37:31  McTeach (Karen) -> : Bye ladies
 12:40:15  Sheila -> : Bye all!

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