Teachers Teaching Teachers #79
20:42:33 SusanEttenheim -> hi lee
20:42:40 lee baber -> hi susan
20:42:49 lee baber -> victoria is going to be ready to come on at 9
20:43:04 lee baber -> i have her skype up and will do a check in here shortly with her
20:43:13 lee baber -> How are you?
20:43:29 SusanEttenheim -> good – and you?
20:43:40 SusanEttenheim -> have her in my skype we can all test together now if you watn
20:43:43 SusanEttenheim -> want
20:44:27 lee baber -> ok
20:58:03 smeech -> Good evening everyone…
20:58:46 ryanbretag -> Hey
20:59:17 lee baber -> vsn you t
21:00:54 paulallison -> Teachers Teaching Teachers will begin broadcasting soon!
21:03:55 paulallison -> We are getting set.
21:06:06 SusanEttenheim -> hi ryanbretag
21:06:09 SusanEttenheim -> hi smeech
21:06:15 smeech -> Good evening
21:06:46 lee baber -> Hello smeech
21:06:50 ryanbretag -> Hi Susan
21:07:39 SusanEttenheim -> hi
21:07:57 alicebarr -> Hi Susan!
21:08:00 SusanEttenheim -> we have lots of room in the call tonight so we’ll call you in!
21:08:09 SusanEttenheim -> anyone who would like to chime in!
21:08:31 smeech -> Ryan just blogged tonight about blogging that might be interesting
21:09:18 smeech -> http://www.bretagdesigns.com/technologist/?p=421
21:09:41 ryanbretag -> @smeech just posted a comment back to you on my blog 😉 Being a bit Socratic 🙂
21:10:12 SusanEttenheim -> hi rickbiche
21:10:14 SusanEttenheim -> welcome
21:10:20 rickbiche -> hello
21:10:32 SusanEttenheim -> could everyone just say where and what you teach to get us started tonight?
21:10:33 lee baber -> Hello Alice
21:10:41 alicebarr -> Hi Lee
21:10:45 alicebarr -> Hi Rick
21:10:47 lee baber -> i need your sl name again
21:10:55 SusanEttenheim -> and welcome to scott as you can hear
21:10:56 rickbiche -> hi
21:10:58 lee baber -> i am getting you on the isle
21:11:02 rickbiche -> hi lee
21:11:04 alicebarr -> Cool
21:11:07 lee baber -> hi rich!!
21:11:09 lee baber -> rick
21:11:11 lee baber -> sorry
21:11:23 alicebarr -> Sorry to have disappeared for a few days
21:11:24 SusanEttenheim -> ok ok i’ll get it going… I’m Susan and I’m in a high school in NYC
21:11:37 alicebarr -> So busy at schools and went to
21:12:05 lee baber -> oh i see
21:12:09 lee baber -> you mean in the chat room susan
21:12:19 SusanEttenheim -> lee – want to go next and maybe we can entice everyone else to introduce themselves too tonight
21:12:23 lee baber -> sorry:o
21:12:25 lee baber -> sure
21:12:26 SusanEttenheim -> yes
21:12:58 lee baber -> I’m Lee and I’m a CompTech8 teacher in
21:13:11 lee baber -> hi Durff
21:13:21 Durff -> hey
21:13:24 SusanEttenheim -> hi durff – just doing some quick intros – place and grade you teach?
21:13:41 Durff -> finishing up progress reports – attention not here
21:14:02 SusanEttenheim -> hi cheryl
21:14:05 SusanEttenheim -> welcome!
21:14:14 SusanEttenheim -> we’re calling everyone in tonight!
21:14:17 Durff -> i teach at broadfording christian academy in
21:14:19 cheryloakes -> Hi Susan,
21:14:26 SusanEttenheim -> ryan?
21:14:38 cheryloakes -> NO don’t call me, I am still editing and posting for my workshop. Lurking for now. 🙂
21:15:05 ryanbretag -> Hi everyone — I’m Ryan Bretag from
21:15:18 Durff -> walking across the room…
21:15:19 SusanEttenheim -> youthwiki.wikispaces.com
21:15:43 SusanEttenheim -> hi ryan welcome again
21:15:53 ryanbretag -> thx Susan — glad to be here
21:15:58 SusanEttenheim -> would you like to join us tonight?
21:16:07 SusanEttenheim -> we’d love to call you in whenever you are ready
21:16:07 smeech -> http://mooress.blogspot.com/
21:16:33 SusanEttenheim -> hi malcorem welcome!
21:16:42 SusanEttenheim -> lol cheryl that’s what I was doing last night
21:16:58 alicebarr -> OK I could only offer friendship
21:17:08 paulallison -> Anybody else like to join us tonight?
21:17:09 SusanEttenheim -> lol
21:17:18 SusanEttenheim -> welcome back malcorem
21:17:24 rickbiche -> my introduction-I teach science in the 8th grade in northern nh. I work on a team of 4 core teachers who I try to encourage to join me in web 2.0
21:17:26 SusanEttenheim -> where and what do you teach?
21:17:26 cheryloakes -> Just so little time and such great stuff happening all the time here.
21:17:30 alicebarr -> I would love to!
21:17:38 SusanEttenheim -> welcome back rickbiche’
21:17:41 alicebarr -> How about Cheryl too!
21:17:58 cheryloakes -> cheryl oakes, Wells, ME, Technology coach for K-12
21:18:15 cheryloakes ->
21:18:47 SusanEttenheim -> cheryl where is your presentation?
21:19:26 cheryloakes -> I am presenting in the middle school, sending presentations to our moodle.
21:19:49 malcorem -> I am an EBD teacher, junior high, in
21:20:02 cheryloakes -> We have many kids who go hunting the week before Thanksgiving, too.
21:20:03 SusanEttenheim -> ahh
21:20:07 rickbiche -> We are missing a few kids to ski camp this week
21:20:14 SusanEttenheim -> welcome malcorem
21:20:19 SusanEttenheim -> how did you find us?
21:20:54 rickbiche -> They are keeping up with classes via google docs, wikis and blog posts
Durff -> smeech – 8th grade attempted to leave comments on your blog
– we were unable to do so even though we all have google accounts
21:21:00 malcorem -> umm…via a tweet from jutecht
21:21:35 malcorem -> well, that’s how I found edtechtalk, anyway
smeech -> hmm… Paul Allison left a comment successfully… It
isn’t notifying us of any additional comments… thank you very much
Durff and great to see you!
21:22:27 SusanEttenheim -> great to have you here malcorem!
21:22:37 malcorem -> ty
21:22:50 malcorem -> hopefully I can figure out why i’m here lol
21:23:04 Durff -> it may have been our fire wall or server or some nonsense
21:23:07 SusanEttenheim -> what is ebd malcorem?
21:23:40 Durff -> you are her malcorem to teach us
21:23:43 malcorem -> Special Education – Emotional/Behavioral Disability
21:23:50 smeech -> could you try from home tonight Durff?
21:23:58 smeech -> that might help me troubleshoot
21:24:00 Durff -> i will –
21:24:07 smeech -> Once again… your the best!
21:24:54 SusanEttenheim -> ah interesting malcorem welcome! we are as durff said, teachers teaching teachers!
21:25:32 SusanEttenheim -> hi mjmontagne – welcome
21:25:51 malcorem -> I’ll take your word for it – hopefully you don’t mind my passivity at first
21:25:54 mjmontagne -> hi…thanks
21:26:15 derrallg -> Hi everyone
21:26:19 SusanEttenheim -> hi derrallg welcome!
21:26:25 SusanEttenheim -> where and what do you teach?
21:26:33 derrallg -> hi Susan
21:26:53 derrallg -> sixth grade math and science,
21:27:00 SusanEttenheim -> welcome!
21:27:08 derrallg -> thank you
21:27:13 derrallg -> !
21:27:33 derrallg -> hi durff
21:27:35 Durff -> but i have a blogger
21:27:40 alicebarr -> Paul: Jeff Utecht is tring to get in to chat room and is having trouble. Any ideas?
21:27:42 Durff -> so it posted
21:27:44 malcorem -> excuse my ignorance, but was there a specific topic be4 i got here
21:27:47 Durff -> hi derrall
21:27:58 SusanEttenheim -> is it a java issue?
21:28:00 Durff -> utecht?
21:28:08 derrallg -> yes
21:28:09 SusanEttenheim -> sometimes on a computer, we need to update the java
21:28:12 Durff -> have him skype in instead
21:28:31 lee baber -> I can suggest
21:28:33 alicebarr -> Thanks Durff
21:28:39 Durff -> $5
21:28:45 lee baber -> canyou have him im me?
21:28:46 SusanEttenheim -> How
much can we nurture independent personal blogging and research or
should we emphasize a whole group inquiry, leading to more discussion?
21:28:52 lee baber -> I have trouble too
21:28:57 alicebarr -> lol
21:28:58 derrallg -> i sent a twitter to him
21:28:59 SusanEttenheim -> here’s one of our questions for tonight
21:29:05 alicebarr -> He is on Twitter Lee
21:29:09 malcorem -> cool, that helps
21:29:18 Durff -> who initiated the skype call?
21:29:19 SusanEttenheim -> but it looks like we have a lot of new middle school teachers so that may be the direction!
21:29:27 alicebarr -> Thanks Derrallg
21:29:39 derrallg -> i’m glad when i can help
21:29:54 SusanEttenheim -> i did durff… why?
21:30:12 Durff -> asking utecht to call you – ok?
21:30:26 SusanEttenheim -> I’ll have to call him
21:30:34 Durff -> or do you want him to join a backchannel
21:30:35 SusanEttenheim -> you can text me the number
21:31:33 Durff -> can utecht hear?
21:32:06 alicebarr -> Durff, not sure haven’t heard back via Twitter yet
21:32:11 derrallg -> the last thing i remember reading is about cooking
21:32:20 Durff -> ok
21:34:37 SusanEttenheim -> elggplans.wikispaces.com
21:34:49 SusanEttenheim -> welcome back malcorem
21:35:04 malcorem -> hi again
21:35:10 malcorem -> firefox quit on me…
21:35:24 SusanEttenheim -> that happens
21:36:03 Durff -> jeff says this sounds good
21:36:15 SusanEttenheim -> durff would he like to be callled in?
21:36:17 Durff -> java for him is up to date
21:36:23 SusanEttenheim -> tell him to just text me the number please
21:36:30 Durff -> he hears fine but i can ask
21:36:35 Durff -> if you want
21:36:37 Durff -> your show
21:36:52 smeech -> Durff… your comment was published… thank you!
21:37:11 Durff -> must be our school the\n
21:37:14 Durff -> sorry
21:37:14 SusanEttenheim -> we’re taking comments and questions tonight!
21:38:32 smeech -> Durff … np … our kids are super excited about talking with your students after Turkey Day
21:38:42 Durff -> okay
21:41:17 mjmontagne -> does anyone have large numbers of students use blogger??
21:41:28 rickbiche -> team4kms.com/biche
21:41:29 Durff -> nope
21:41:38 mjmontagne -> we’ve been using blogger w/8th graders b/c it is so easy…
21:41:48 SusanEttenheim -> mjmontagne – could you remind of us where you are and what you teach?
21:42:00 mjmontagne -> but, not much control over blog tool from teacher standpoint
21:42:12 mjmontagne -> University
21:42:25 mjmontagne -> I’m the middle school technology integrator at USM
21:42:46 mjmontagne -> also teach some film/media, computer science classes
21:43:11 derrallg -> Can Lee B. talk about what her students were supposed to share today at the Unconference?
21:43:27 lee baber -> sure derrall
21:43:46 derrallg -> thanks lee 🙂
21:44:10 lee baber -> let me actaully speak it when we have a small opening
21:44:19 derrallg -> yes
21:45:10 derrallg -> Do others here use the Big6 model?
21:47:00 Durff -> derrall we do
21:48:13 SusanEttenheim -> hi phawkenson welcome
21:48:16 Bud -> Evenin’ room.
21:48:34 SusanEttenheim -> hi bud!
21:48:35 Durff -> hi bud
21:48:44 lee baber -> so hi bud
21:49:46 Bud -> Talking blogs tonight, huh?
21:49:55 malcorem -> how often do y’all do this?
21:49:55 SusanEttenheim -> lol bud
21:50:07 SusanEttenheim -> every wed 9pm est time
21:50:08 smeech -> Derallg I focus on using #6 of Big 6 as I think it is the most important!
21:50:14 SusanEttenheim -> edtechtalk is the place to be!
21:50:23 Bud -> hey, susan – y’all’ve had some great shows lately
21:50:28 SusanEttenheim -> bring your questions/problems/and challenges!
21:50:35 derrallg -> @smeech I always have trouble getting there
21:50:44 SusanEttenheim -> bud we need to get your students in here talking too
21:51:11 SusanEttenheim -> we have middle school and high school places now
21:51:27 Bud -> Alas – I’m fresh out of students at the moment.
21:51:31 Bud -> Otherwise, I’d be there.
21:51:48 Bud -> But I am going to be recommending some teachers that way, soon.
21:51:49 SusanEttenheim -> lol connections in your state?
21:52:08 derrallg -> @smeech this is the first time i’ve met others using it
21:52:08 Bud -> oh, don’t worry – I’ve still got access to teachers – they’re not quite ready, though –
21:52:09 SusanEttenheim -> *
Why not give students their own blogs–such as on blogger–which get
fed into a social network vs. blogging directly in a social network?
21:52:16 Bud -> soon, so soon
21:52:42 SusanEttenheim -> our spanish community will be launching and getting active in the next few weeks too
21:52:48 smeech -> I think Ryan wrote something interesting about blogging today: http://www.bretagdesigns.com/technologist/
21:52:54 Durff -> spanish?
21:53:37 lee baber -> http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=131941771 would you ..anyone..try this yugma to see if its working
21:53:44 mjmontagne -> student sample: http://unit8carolw.wikispaces.com
21:53:45 smeech -> Susan.. we have a Spanish teacher very interested in hooking up with a Spanish community.
21:54:08 SusanEttenheim -> great!
21:54:27 mjmontagne -> http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com (my professional blog)
21:55:06 Durff -> what do you mean setting up in a blog susan?
21:55:41 SusanEttenheim -> durff so my students blog only in youth voices
21:55:56 SusanEttenheim -> as opposed to having an individual blogger account
21:56:11 Durff -> ah….why can’t kids have more than one blog?
21:56:14 lee baber -> can anyone get in that yugma
21:56:27 SusanEttenheim -> I admire what Vicki is doing feeling that she wants her students to have "real" blogs at blogger
21:56:33 Durff -> oh i see what you mean
21:56:56 Bud -> I’ve done both blogger and elgg – and both make sense for different reasons/purposes.
21:57:00 SusanEttenheim -> but I think that’s not right for my classes so it’s an intersting question
21:57:07 Durff -> i have an 8th grader who just got a learner blog
21:57:19 Durff -> i had her last year
21:57:33 derrallg -> @lee i’m in
21:57:37 Durff -> she wanted a place to connect
21:57:39 Bud -> Is that Paul A? Is he okay?
21:57:55 SusanEttenheim -> yes bud
21:57:58 SusanEttenheim -> and yes
ryanbretag -> What happens if more and more teachers begin to ask
students to blog? I think it is imperative that we start to look at one
blog per student within schools that carry across the curriculum. This
will allow for a more authentic blog. When it is isolated to a project
or short time period, I’m not sure it can become a transformative
21:58:19 Durff -> last i heard, she had 21 comments the first week – many from people in this chatroom (thanks)
21:58:21 Bud -> aw, man – that’s too bad – just in time for the annual meeting.
21:58:28 lee baber -> oh great derrall
21:58:45 lee baber -> ryan i agree
21:58:46 Bud -> @ryan – yep. We need to build or support systems that allow for multiple options.
21:58:47 mjmontagne -> ryan-GREAT question…I have same question with ning communities
21:59:04 Durff -> which qqt?
21:59:09 SusanEttenheim -> thanks for letting us know durff!
21:59:17 lee baber -> yes durff thanks
Bud -> I don’t think that one blog per kid always makses sense – but
I do wish I could pass them out in Kindergarten and keep them going
through 12th grade.
21:59:26 Durff -> thank you for commenting!
21:59:54 Durff -> mine each have their own in blogmeister
21:59:56 SusanEttenheim -> ok bud who was blogging or talking about just that this week….
22:00:04 Durff -> which needs a new server
22:00:15 derrallg -> @bud i’m having trouble teaching math and science to find the time
22:00:34 Durff -> we are required to maintain that work
22:00:43 Durff -> we have to archive it
22:01:08 Bud -> Yeah – exactly. Sustainable, and long-term.
22:01:23 SusanEttenheim -> bud do you know joyce valenza’s work?
22:01:26 Durff -> laws would have to change
22:01:34 Bud -> I do – haven’t read her blog this week.
22:01:38 Bud -> NeverEndingSearch?
22:01:45 Durff -> parental expectations would have to change
22:02:03 SusanEttenheim -> yes and she did a great post about blogging the research process
22:02:15 SusanEttenheim -> in what way durff?
22:02:26 derrallg -> @susan iwhere is joyce valenza posting/writing now
22:02:40 SusanEttenheim -> she has a column at the school library journal
22:02:45 SusanEttenheim -> I’ll get some links
22:02:55 derrallg -> she used to have her own blog right?
22:02:58 Bud -> thanks, Susan – I’m looking now.
22:03:06 Bud -> She still does, Derrall – just moved to SLJ.
22:03:11 derrallg -> ok
22:03:44 SusanEttenheim -> http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/blog/1340000334/post/560014056.html
22:03:54 SusanEttenheim -> she still does
smeech -> We still have districts looking at blogging in a negative
22:04:09 SusanEttenheim -> but this article is particularly interesting I think….
22:04:18 Bud -> That’s just what we did with speech class – blogged the search and research process.
22:04:21 SusanEttenheim -> why smeech?
22:04:37 lee baber -> i am on the back end tring to help jeff utecht get into our chat!
22:04:38 SusanEttenheim -> where bud- could we see it?
22:04:41 smeech -> Fear factor by schools about technology in general
22:04:47 lee baber -> working on the yugma to do this
22:04:49 smeech -> Schools fear a loss of control
22:04:55 Bud -> Some in Elgg – and some private – by the students’ choice – but some public
ryanbretag -> It would also be nice if schools setup a page that
displayed the blogs within their school — similar to what Standford
does. I’m currently building ours at GBN and it might make building the
k-12 blogosphere a lot easier to navigate. Then, a nice wiki that links
to the various sites would tie this together nicely.
22:04:58 Bud -> let me dig around a bit
22:05:09 derrallg -> @lee cool
22:05:20 Bud -> @ryanbretag: Bigger than one blogosphere or one wiki.
22:05:27 Durff -> wow 10:04 – gotta call it a night – work tomorrow….bye all!
22:05:28 Bud -> but I like the idea of tying communities together.
22:05:39 SusanEttenheim -> night durff – thanks for coming!
22:05:46 derrallg -> bye durff
22:06:12 lee baber -> i like tying them together too!
22:06:17 Bud -> Here’s some of the conversation: http://oldeschoolspace.org/speech/weblog
ryanbretag -> @bud sure but there needs to be a starting point for
k-12 schools looking for the connections within a familiar context
before the "greater" audience
22:06:33 Bud -> I loved the levels of choice in Elgg – public, private, within a group, etc.
ryanbretag -> Believe me, I want our students to be writing as
writers NOT students. However, I know a starting point for many will be
seeing other schools
22:06:56 Bud -> Students need, too, to be able to choose what’s public and what’s not. And they need to know that not everything should be public.
22:07:02 lee baber -> yes.. we have the choice as teachers and they do as students
22:07:09 SusanEttenheim -> yes bud – our spanish teacher is starting a nuestras voces community
22:07:14 ryanbretag -> That is where Google Docs works so well with Blogger
22:07:20 Bud -> Students need, too, to be able to choose what’s public and what’s not. And they need to know that not everything should be public.
22:07:21 SusanEttenheim -> where spanish students can converse with each other
22:07:25 Bud -> oops
22:07:29 Bud -> forgive the repost
22:07:36 Bud -> Susan, that’s so cool re: Spanish.
22:07:48 Bud -> @ryan – sure – there should be starting points. Plural.
22:08:00 smeech -> Night Durff!
22:08:03 ryanbretag -> right on
paulallison -> My students write and revise in Google Docs, publish
to their own blogger accounts, then suck that into Youth Voices or
Personal Learning Space.
22:08:41 Bud -> There’s an awful lot of bloggers trying to wrap their heads around the entire world of blogs. Ain’t gonna happen. Can’t happen. Not possible.
22:08:57 SusanEttenheim -> what do you mean bud?
22:09:30 Bud -> I mean that there isn’t "one blogosphere" or "edusphere" or "kidusphere." It’s illusory to believe that there is.
22:09:52 SusanEttenheim -> that’s what’s so big for them to learn don’t you think?
smeech -> We have layers of learning in all aspects of our student
learning … why would blogging be any different?
SusanEttenheim -> my students were overwhelmed when they came to
class today and their little Google News search in their Google Reader
had 20-40 new links!
22:10:42 derrallg -> got to go tonight, my fiancee is calling, good night everyone
22:11:12 lee baber -> susan what do they have in their readers
22:11:22 ryanbretag -> @Bud Sure… I don’t see a problem with that. We do it with Web 2.o0, Classroom 2.0, etc.
22:11:37 ryanbretag -> It is how we move to a level of comfort, a level of personal understanding
22:11:44 SusanEttenheim -> they did a Google news search on the question that they are researching now
SusanEttenheim -> see HOw to find information for your Google Reader
in the instructions section at youthwiki.wikispaces.com
22:13:01 ryanbretag -> It has been grand all — have a great evening!
22:13:06 BUd -> I got disconnected – can someone repost the last minute or two of eloquence?
22:13:08 smeech -> later Ryan!
22:13:15 BUd -> g’night, ryan.
22:13:15 SusanEttenheim -> night ryan
22:14:22 BUd -> I missed the best part of the conversation, huh?
22:14:27 lee baber -> [smeech] Night Durff!
[ryanbretag] right on
[paulallison] My students write and revise in Google Docs, publish to
their own blogger accounts, then suck that into Youth Voices or
Personal Learning Space.
an awful lot of bloggers trying to wrap their heads around the entire
world of blogs. Ain’t gonna happen. Can’t happen. Not possible.
[SusanEttenheim] what do you mean bud?
[Bud] I mean that there isn’t "one blogosphere" or "edusphere" or "kidusphere." It’s illusory to believe that there is.
[SusanEttenheim] that’s what’s so big for them to learn don’t you think?
[smeech] We have layers of learning in all aspects of our student learning … why would blogging be any different?
[SusanEttenheim] my students were overwhelmed when they came to class
today and their little Google News search in their Google Reader had
20-40 new links!
[derrallg] got to go
tonight, my fiancee is calling, good night everyone User derrallg has
logged out. [lee baber] susan what do they have in their readers
22:14:53 BUd -> thanks, lee
22:15:08 lee baber -> @bud..no names though … 🙂
22:15:16 SusanEttenheim -> lee- what was that… that was strange… 😉
22:15:21 BUd -> ‘s all right.
22:15:24 SusanEttenheim -> wink i mean
22:15:30 BUd -> I get the gist – I think.
22:15:42 lee baber -> o oh bud logged out and missed some text …
22:15:50 lee baber -> so i cut and paste it back in for him to read
22:15:53 smeech -> Matt… I would like to chat with you more!
22:16:04 BUd -> "logged out" is so kind.
22:16:11 lee baber -> hehe
22:16:14 BUd -> I stepped on the powercord and.
22:16:17 lee baber -> oh no
22:16:19 BUd -> you can figure out the rest.
22:16:39 lee baber -> yes. a familiar story.. i usually just dont plug in and lose power that way
22:16:41 BUd -> Still sick and super – well done, Paul, as always.
22:17:14 SusanEttenheim -> night all
22:17:26 lee baber -> night susan
22:18:30 Bud -> Thanks for a good listen. HAve a great time at the Annual Meeting – tell everyone hi for me – and be sure to record the good stuff!