11:27 anitsirk : hello
11:27 anitsirk : does anyone know if there will be video today?
11:28 ustreamer-3274 : Is the ‘Dave’ George mentioned in his tweet Dave Cormier?
11:28 anitsirk : yep
11:28 anitsirk : the host for this session
11:28 ustreamer-3274 : ah ha
11:30 ustreamer-71721 : Has the audio started yet? I don’t hear anything.
11:30 anitsirk : no. i don’t think so.
11:30 cogdog : just the sound of chat
11:30 anitsirk : 🙂
11:30 anitsirk : i’ll be screenrecording this session again.
11:30 ustreamer-71721 : The sound of one hand chatting? 🙂
11:30 cogdog : one finger
11:31 ustreamer-71721 : I don’t think there is video.
11:31 ustreamer-4269 : Ines: Hi All
11:31 jpachon : hi all
11:31 anitsirk : @cogdog: will you continue providing the audio recording of these ustream sessions or shall i put up the audio as well on archive.org? haven’t done so for the last session as you did the nice audiobook earlier on
11:32 ustreamer-71721 : I hoped to jump in and out but it doesn’t look like this will start on time.
11:32 cogdog : Yes I will, am behind. Was waiting for last week’s to be posted
11:32 jasongreen : Good morning
11:32 anitsirk : it should start pretty soon according to george’s tweet
11:33 ustreamer-71721 : Where will the audio be posted?
11:33 cogdog : 3 minute rule!
11:33 andreasauwaerte : Good evening/morging! 🙂
11:33 cogdog : edtechtalk usuually is where i find them
11:33 anitsirk : @cogdog. great. then it’s division of labor. 😉
11:33 anitsirk : hi andreas.
11:33 cogdog : is last week’s been posyed?
11:33 cogdog : has last week’s archive been posted?
11:34 vances : I presume no audio yet?
11:34 andreasauwaerte : it up!
11:34 ustreamer-71721 : @Vances: No.
11:34 anitsirk : george posted the audio for the elluminate part i think (it should be in the moodle forum. the audio for the first 30 min. ustream doesn’t make too much sense as it is on and off
11:34 vances : ah here it is
11:35 anitsirk : @vances: the audio?
11:35 jasongreen : You should have live streamed.
11:35 vances : @anitirk I have audio, should we be on skype?
11:35 cogdog : no audio here
11:35 ustreamer-71721 : I can hear George but no one else.
11:35 anitsirk : i don’t hear anything yet
11:36 vances : I’m hearing George talking somewehre
11:36 andreasauwaerte : @ cogdog germany has audio! 🙂
11:36 cogdog : stream looks acvite
11:36 cogdog : luck germany
11:36 cogdog : lucky
11:36 ustreamer-71721 : Okay, audio working here.
11:36 anitsirk : lucky you a few kilometers away, andreas 😉
11:36 vances : George talking about his feminine side
11:36 ustreamer-71721 : It will if you have a gun, Stephen.
11:36 cogdog : not fair!
11:36 cogdog : No audio here
11:36 cogdog : crikie
11:37 andreasauwaerte : @cogdog reloading the ustream window?
11:37 vances : Stephen talking about his political days
11:37 jasongreen : Stephen , a politician, my goodness.
11:37 andreasauwaerte : seems to be election time in canada and usa?
11:37 rmbell : open pop up window
11:37 ustreamer-3274 : hello
11:38 jasongreen : A star is born.
11:38 vances : they mention viewers, I view nothing, can here
11:38 ustreamer-71721 : So they can’t see us chat and some of you can’t hear them.
11:38 anitsirk : who’s that female voice?
11:38 cogdog : pop up worked
11:38 dougsymington : not getting bkgrd noise on stream
11:38 vances : Jenifer
11:38 andreasauwaerte : think it would be jennifer.
11:38 anitsirk : thanks @vances
11:38 davidal : I can hear!!!!
11:38 andreasauwaerte : Sound is exxelent
11:38 cogdog : got audio via popup window
11:38 ustreamer-71721 : Okay, someone has chat.
11:39 cogdog : hello
11:39 cogdog : Alpha Team Leader
11:39 cogdog : Hi Jen
12:09 jasongreen : http://www.visual-literacy.org/periodic_table/periodic_table.html
12:09 ustreamer-1819 : @64779 wanna come into the skype call and further illustrate your point?
12:10 dougsymington : anyone who needs proof that social systems are chaotic need look no further than the electoral system in US and Canada
12:10 andreasauwaerte : doug ??
12:10 ustreamer-64779 : sorry not got skype talk on moodle start a thread or read mine Tim Gillibrand
12:11 ustreamer-1819 : gotcha
12:11 rmbell : choas is visualized by "intuition"
12:11 ustreamer-64779 : @1819 who are you?
12:11 dougsymington : @andreas–sorry bad attempt at a joke
12:11 carlosgc : This periodic table of visualization is great
12:12 anitsirk : 1819 is dave cormier
12:12 andreasauwaerte : @doug – k
12:12 ustreamer-64779 : hi dave
12:12 ustreamer-1819 : i am dave
12:12 robwall : "Enter the world" – no, but that may become the social system than we might be used to. (IMHO)
12:12 rmbell : @stephen the world is more complex so the child takes in diffferent view
12:13 ustreamer-1819 : @robwall escape the drop bears?
12:13 robwall : Right – neurological systems haven’t changed.
12:13 andreasauwaerte : @rmbell maybe it doesnt think in complexity – child stays on use!?
12:13 ustreamer-64779 : Wolfram says there are 4 types of system
12:14 robwall : Question might be – how does our neurological system deal with a more complex social system.
12:14 ustreamer-64779 : and once a threshold has been reached everysystem is just as complex
12:14 ustreamer-64779 : these are systems that are equivalent to universal turing machines
12:14 robwall : Ha – good answer!
12:14 cogdog : entroy yes
12:15 ustreamer-64779 : so people and social systems are equaly complex
12:15 cogdog : but entropy of systems on a longer scale of variation
12:15 ustreamer-64779 : brains and social systems then
12:16 vances : here’s a question, what kinds of questions are you hoping for?
12:16 ustreamer-64779 : ye quantifiying measuring all good
12:16 andreasauwaerte : asking myself loud? about complexity do we just discover the "nature" of the cpmplexity which has been undercover before?
12:16 ustreamer-64779 : these questions are facinating
12:16 rmbell : Does education "freeze the view" of a complex world during their life experience and "formal education"
12:16 anitsirk : "more" and "less" are subjective. numbers seem to be more objective
12:17 jasongreen : How do you guide the system if you can’t measure it?
12:17 vances : wait how can a system be not cause and effect?
12:17 ustreamer-64779 : you can study complexity many people do you can be rigourus and not just vauge
12:17 cogdog : Complexity factor today is 42.7436546546
12:17 dougsymington : what’s the connection between one’s ability to assay "complexity" and "creativity" in a given learner
12:17 dougsymington : that is are "creative" individuals better able to "decode" complexity?
12:17 anitsirk : @cogdog: on what scale?
12:18 cogdog : Larger question is how to help people, learners, society deal with a complex system when conditioned to simplifed frameworks we get in school?
12:18 ustreamer-64779 : constructivist theories explain this
12:18 ustreamer-64779 : you give people the scafolding and they build the concepts
12:18 andreasauwaerte : @cogdog IMHPO by explaining your benefit you got in the use of socialmedia
12:18 ustreamer-64779 : give them a pen and paper and some exasmples get them to draw it
12:19 ustreamer-1819 : @cogdog… that’s the follow up… one quesiton at a time
12:19 rmbell : @jasongreen -incremently adapting as you proceed rather than make a an overall 16 year curriculum.
12:19 ustreamer-64779 : yes thats constructivist
12:20 ustreamer-64779 : I agree
12:20 ustreamer-64779 : negotiation
12:21 robwall : @1819 – Hi Dave. Sorry I ignored your message – my attention was diverted.
12:21 ustreamer-20060 : what is important to teach is those patterns that occur most frequently
12:21 vances : what is that important thing that is important to LEARN
12:22 jasongreen : If you can’t achieve planned outcomes in an unplanned way, good luck selling the process to the bean counters.
12:22 rmbell : @vances – what needs to be memorized?
12:22 vances : and how can the environment be contstructed so that this concept or heuristic for getting there is learned?
12:22 andreasauwaerte : @vance those things you were enabled to get in the understanding of new learning?
12:22 andreasauwaerte : @vance – thats a good follow up!
12:22 vances : yes, that is what teaching is, and Stephen would say modeling the heuristic for the students (I think)
12:23 jpachon : ¿what kind of tools is important to do?
12:23 jpachon : applied the two theories?
12:25 ustreamer-64779 : these constructs are usefull as scafolding
12:25 ustreamer-64779 : the learners will build there own concepts and drop the scafolding latter
12:25 rmbell : cassting an abstraction into a solid
12:25 robwall : Libel by label?
12:26 cogdog : chaotic environments?
12:26 ustreamer-64779 : why not construct environments learnes can explore them and learn
12:27 andreasauwaerte : @steve can you precize your understanding of realistic?
12:27 ustreamer-64779 : Praxis theor and practice in action
12:27 LisaMLane : I guess I should have read that
12:28 LisaMLane : us birds need our nesting
12:28 LisaMLane : oh, but we could indent, huh?
12:29 ssorden : I tried to find it the other day in Amazon. Couldn’t.
12:29 robwall : Who’s the author?
12:29 mmvcentro : Maru: author?
12:29 ustreamer-1819 : author author
12:30 ssorden : thx
12:30 anitsirk : thanx
12:30 robwall : thx
12:30 andreasauwaerte : Thanx!
12:30 mmvcentro : thanks
12:30 jasongreen : http://www.amazon.com/Introducing-Chaos-Introducing-Ziauddin-Sardar/dp/1840460784
12:30 jasongreen : Is this it?
12:30 robwall : @jasongreen thx
12:31 ustreamer-64779 : thanks everyone
12:31 anitsirk : thanx for the session
12:31 mmvcentro : thaks all
12:31 vances : jeff AND dave
12:31 anitsirk : thanx for the quick search, jason and the link
12:31 ustreamer-86687 : Ziauddin Sardar Introducing Chaos
12:31 vances : Ziauddin Sardar
12:31 ustreamer-4269 : thanks
12:31 mmvcentro : thanks Jason it’s the same author
12:32 LisaMLane : some folks are at work and can’t be heard talking at their desk
12:32 andreasauwaerte : Mic is on!!!
12:33 cogdog : adios
12:33 andreasauwaerte : 😉
12:33 anitsirk : the recording of the chat room shouldd be up soon.
12:33 vances : this is post show
12:33 cogdog : leave the mic open 😉
12:33 carlosgc : que caos… bye
12:33 andreasauwaerte : Very nice! Streaming charm!
12:34 mmvcentro : I have it!
12:34 anitsirk : i recorded the chat.
12:34 vances : what did you mean by that, don’t construct the environment?
12:34 cogdog : make it interesting then
12:34 mmvcentro : give your email
12:34 vances : Thinking Second Life for example