21st Century Learning #80: K12-Online Pre-Conference Keynote Conversation

Professor Stephen Heppell21st Century Learning #80
K12-Online Pre-Conference Keynote Conversation
October 16, 2008

A conversation trying to answer the questions that were asked by the K12 Online Conference about Professor Stephen Heppell’s Pre-Conference Keynote.  We used the book Disrupting Class by Clayton M. Christensen to discuss the transformation of education that Professor Heppell describes in his keynote. 

Chat Log Below    

  


14:19:09
 arvind ->  hi bill


14:21:40
 alex.ragone ->  Howdy Bill — Can you hear us
on the stream?


14:23:41
 Bill Campbell ->  Yes.


14:23:51
 arvind ->  great, thanks!


14:25:09
 Bill Campbell ->  FYI, a few people came and
went a couple of minutes before 2.


14:25:23
 arvind ->  not sure what they’re up to down
there


14:26:38
 arvind ->  http://k12onlineconference.org/


14:27:00
 arvind ->  The conference opening speaker:

PRE CONFERENCE KEYNOTE “It Simply Isn’t the 20th Century Any More Is It?: So Why Would We Teach as Though It Was?”




14:27:09
 arvind ->  It Simply Isn’t the 20th Century
Any More Is It?: So Why Would We Teach as Though It Was?


14:28:48
 arvind ->  dedication to Lee Baber:

In loving memory of Lee Baber




14:28:57
 arvind ->  is that really Dave C? hello
there!


14:29:21
 DaveC ->  Not Dave Cormier. 


14:29:29
 Bill Campbell ->  That question seems to fit
in nicely with what Daniel Pink says in a Whole New Mind.


14:29:55
 arvind ->  That was our faculty summer
reading book


14:30:11
 Bill Campbell ->  Maybe creative production
is a place to maintain/foster US dominance?


14:30:21
 arvind ->  ah, thanks, Dave C


14:30:29
 arvind ->  which Dave is here?


14:30:29
 DaveC ->  Sorry 🙂


14:30:38
 Bill Campbell ->  It was our facutly summer
reading too a year ago.


14:31:10
 DaveC ->  There is a book “Rise and Decline
of the American Programmer” by Ed Yordon that came out in the 80’s I
think about how if Softw Engs didn’t change their methodology, they
wouldn’t keep up.


14:31:37
 DaveC ->  @arvind: Dave Chamberlain.
 NH K12 tchr


14:31:49
 alex.ragone ->
 http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=268


14:32:29
 arvind ->  welcome, Dave 


14:32:40
 arvind ->  hi Andrew


14:32:56
 alex.ragone ->  Hey Folks.  Feel
free to foward questions.


14:33:01
 DaveC ->  Thanks, glad to be here.
 I’m usually only here in the evening.


14:33:57
 arvind ->  ah, gotcha


14:34:35
 DaveC ->  Many times teachers are in their
own groove and it is hard for many to adopt lessons from peer teachers
in their own schools, let alone collaborate long-distance


14:36:18
 courosa ->  not even schools are isolated,
teaching is an incredible isolated profiession as it exists, and there
is very little done within the profession or within preservice programs
to change that, worldwide


14:36:42
 arvind ->  i agree courosa, closed doors,
separate spaces, really isolating


14:36:43
 alex.ragone ->  Except for your classes,
Alec.


14:36:58
 alex.ragone ->  🙂 


14:36:59
 arvind ->  collaboration is not encouraged,
not given the time it needs, right


14:37:09
 arvind ->  the question is then, is the
collaborative teaching better?


14:37:13
 DaveC ->  Preservice classes in technology
still meet in a classroom and learn how to use word, powerpoint and
copyright law. 


14:37:51
 alex.ragone ->  “All This


14:37:56
 alex.ragone ->   All This needs to get done.


14:38:19
 courosa ->  @alex I try anyways, but such
resistance to overcome, and if I teach the only course like that, and
it’s focused on edtech, it’s not enough, it gets marginalized quickly


14:38:26
 courosa ->  we need the change to happen in
the core


14:38:32
 DaveC ->  Students only need to meet AYP, so
they only need to show that they are adequate.  If that’s what
is accepted of the student, that is what is accepted of the teacher.


14:39:14
 DaveC ->  I’ve met with several teachers over
the past week on gaining PD via web2.0.  The constant question
that comes up is “where willI find the time?”


14:39:24
 courosa ->  @davec et. al, we should create
an open preservice edtech course, common-ish curriculum, accessible to
any institution that wants it


14:40:14
 DaveC ->  Interesting spin.  What
should the teacher need to know to teach students of the day — from
the POV of the student.  


14:40:53
 alex.ragone ->  @courosa — yep.
 Vinnie and I recently read Disrupting Class.


14:41:07
 alex.ragone ->  Talks about looking outside
the box.  


14:41:42
 arvind ->  I hear some Daniel Pink coming
through Vinnie right now! synthesis, story…what were the others?


14:41:51
 alex.ragone ->  @coursa — I’m down with
that.


14:43:13
 courosa ->  @alex I’m ready to start talking
about it, how we can accomplish something, get a critical mass of
developers, etc. Maybe edtechtalk can set it up?


14:43:56
 courosa ->  gotta run … revolution!


14:44:07
 arvind ->  thanks for the great
comments! 


14:44:39
 arvind ->  Disrupting Class:



14:46:35
 Bill Campbell ->  Some will still argue (I’ve
heard it) that there is a body of knowledge that we are supposed to
send kids off to college with especially for those of us in independent
schools sending students to very competitive colleges.  Not to
pick on English teachers, but some don’t want to give up one of the
novels on the list.


14:47:26
 Bill Campbell ->  With ed-tech and 21st
century skills it sometimes seems like secondary education is pushing
student with those skills into higher-ed sometimes when higher-ed isn’t
asking for those skills yet.


14:47:42
 Bill Campbell ->  That’s not to say higher-ed
shouldn’t be asking for those skills.


14:49:26
 DaveC ->
  http://www.dangerouslyirrelevant.org/


14:50:04
 Bill Campbell ->  Some say we do a great job
of training future teachers.  That’s important but not the
future of a majority of our students.


14:50:13
 DaveC ->  What’s the twitter id?


14:50:48
 arvind ->   http://twitter.com/arvind


14:50:53
 DaveC ->  Thanks


14:50:54
 arvind ->   http://twitter.com/alexragone


14:51:05
 arvind ->   http://twitter.com/vvrotny


14:51:27
 arvind ->  yours?


14:51:41
 Bill Campbell ->   http://twitter.com/BillCamp


14:51:44
 DaveC ->   http://twitter.com/DaveC_


14:52:06
 Bill Campbell ->  Thanks guys.


14:52:14
 arvind ->  thanks for being here, everyone


14:52:16
 arvind ->  see you next time! 

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